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Ahead4life

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My family moved house in February and all drivers in the household have updated the DVLA with the new address and received up to date driving licences, all within a month of moving.
There has been an arrangement with the new owner of our previous house that any post still received would be passed over to our old neighbour.
I went to visit the neighbour yesterday as they have had an unexpected short stay in hospital, and was passed the post that had been accumulated over the last 2 weeks since seeing them, none of which should be important as all necessary bodies have been notified of the new address.
There was a PCN from Parking Eye, issue date of 4th April for an event on 1st April which had been sent to the old address.
The PCN is for an overstay of 19 minutes in a local MacDonalds car park which states at the entrance a maximum stay of 1.5 hours. However, it is not immediately clear on the signage at the entrance what happens if you stay over 1.5 hrs and where and how you can pay for any additional stay. A photo of the VCN shows it arriving at 22:40 and leaving at 00:29. I have attached a photo of the back of the PCN for reference.
The driver, who has neurodivergency and mental health issues, is unable to deal with this themselves so it falls upon me. They would prefer to ignore the notice, especially as it can easily be claimed it was never received as there is no official arrangement with the post office to forward any post and if there had been it would only have been for a month and that would have passed by now anyway. I have to be honest, I am feeling that way too.
If no acknowledgement of the PCN is made, and no admission that it was the owner of the vehicle driving at the time, can Parking Eye get anywhere with pursuing this?
I have only just managed to resolve another case on behalf of the driver with Britannia Parking and had only found this site/forum after engaging with Britannia Parking and appealing the fines.
Is it possible to ignore this one as we can easily claim it was never received? How far does Parking Eye go? If there is no obvious way to pay for additional parking over the 1.5 hrs, what happens? To demand £100 (£60 if paid within 14 days) for an overstay is ridiculous.
What if the driver had overstayed due to illness or issues with the car (both possible and has happened), if Parking Eye were to pursue and actually write to the driver at the updated address, what would be the best response?
The help I received with the Britannia Parking fines was invaluable. For this one, I am loathe to pay anything to this Parking Eye, (especially as the driver is already paying a monthly plan to Britannia Parking of £20 per month!) and want to get the approach right from the outset.
Thoughts and advice would be gratefully received.
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Think about it.
A driving license has nothing to do with a car, it’s for a person.
A car has a V5C document with the registered keeper’s address, and if you don’t update this any queries about the car will be directed to the old address.
For now, update the V5C because it’s theoretically a fine for not doing so, although it’s never enforced.

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We`re the VR document address updated as well as driving licence?

The £100 may seem ridiculous, but this is the usual thing.

Do not ignore this issue.

Post a copy of the PPN with personal details redacted, but leave dates.

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The sign will likely say that the driver agrees to pay £100 if the driver overstays, there is no other way of paying for additional time, it is a contract that the driver enters into by reading the signs and by parking, and the registered keeper has now been invoiced for payment under the contract entered into.

If the signs are not clear, an argument can be made that the contract can’t be enforced, for example.

The principle of invoicing for payment for an overstay has been tested and found to be legal, but if you can provide more details then there may be things which mean you don’t have to pay. But moaning that it’s unfair won’t be one of them!
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If ignored, Parking Eye may initiate proceedings against the registered keeper, using the old address, which may result in a default judgement in their favour, after which an effort will be made to trace the keeper at the new address.

I’m not saying you should pay, because so far you’ve not given us anything to go on, but ignoring could end up costing >>£60.
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AS already stated above, updating your drivers licence has nothing whatsoever to do with the V5C registration document. Yes, you must update that too and can easily be done online in a matter of minutes. However, that will not help your current situation as the parking operator can only make a single DVLA request for data and the have used that up.

You waffle on about the "owner". That is a totally irrelevant term and as an entity, has no legal meaning in the context of a contractual dispute. The only entities that matter are the Keeper and the Driver.

The Parking Charge Notice (PCN) is not a "fine" and referring to it as such, especially of you use that term in any correspondence highlights you as a "mug" ripe for the picking. A PCN is simply a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver.

The operator has no idea of the identity of the driver unless the Keeper blabs it to them, inadvertently or otherwise. Whilst ParkingEye claim to rely on PoFA 2012 to be able to hold the Keeper liable if the drivers identity is not revealed, their postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully compliant with all the requirements of the Act and you are advised that the Keeper should not identify the driver.

Any comms about this should only be from the Keeper. They should only refer to the driver in the third party. No "I did this or that. Only "the driver did this or that".

Imagining that this can simply be ignored is wrong. Mentioning that "the owner" was not driving at the time is just another marker that you are not fully au fait with how to refer to anything. As already mentioned, "owner" is irrelevant. There is no official register of "owners". If you're referring to the registered keeper, then look very carefully as the front of the V5C and read what is stated very clearly in bold capital lettering on the front about "ownership".

So, the Keeper has received a postal NtK for a 19 minute overstay at a McDonald's. They are obliged to allow a 10 minute grace period at the end of any contractual parking period, which, even if fully used, leaves the driver having overstayed by at least 9 minutes. Whilst you may think this is de minimis, should it ever go all the way to court, a judge will only consider the facts. The fact is that the driver overstayed and therefore breached the contract.

I did mention that the NtK was not fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA. This is an arguable defence point should it ever get as far as a hearing in court (unlikely but remotely possible). If it can be proved that their NtK is not fully compliant with all the requirements of PoFA, then they cannot hold the Keeper liable.

As the Keeper is under no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company, they would have nowhere else to go with this as they are not allowed to infer or presume that the Keeper must also be the driver, even on the balance of probability.

So, armed with the above knowledge, do you intend to fight this all the way, as is the most likely outcome?
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Thank you for the advice and for the reminder about the V5 address change.
In the the process of updating all necessary parties of the new address, not one of the 4 drivers in the house had even thought about the V5 documents for their vehicles! As you all say, it is very easy to change online and all of the 4 vehicle V5's have now had the address updated, thank you all for this advice as it was a complete oversight.
Regarding the PCN from Parking Eye, I understand that saying 'owner' is irrelevant and the vehicle keeper is the only one who should respond to the PCN (which sadly falls to me doing this for them).
I know the keeper (and driver) simply does not have £60 which I appreciate is also irrelevant but means their view is to 'fight this all the way' but from your combined experiences, what does that look like when the driver did overstay by 19 minutes and there are apparently signs in the car park about the 1.5 hrs? How likely is it that this gets dismissed in your combined experiences with Parking Eye?
I assume the next steps we would need to take is to go online and register an appeal but how would we need to word the appeal when it is clear the vehicle overstayed by 19 minutes due to the photos of it arriving and then leaving?

These parking companies are parasites and I really don't want another one to get the better of me but would appreciate some guidance on this asap as the 14 day period of paying the 'discounted' £60 comes to an end on 14th April!

What would be the recommended response to Parking Eye Appeals Department in this instance? I do not want to get any wording incorrect and leave the driver vulnerable. I would have to (help) fill out the appeal for the Keeper/Driver and make it clear in there that they are unable to manage dealing with any responses themselves and would need any further correspondence to be dealt with by me, which would require a Letter of Consent being arranged by ParkingEye, signed by the Keeper and then I can act on their behalf. This is where I start losing the will to live a bit. Yet more time spent dealing with these parasitic organisations.
If we fight it, is there a chance it is dropped or is it simply a delaying tactic for a PCN that can be pushed through, end up in court, and still have to be paid?

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Show us the documents you are talking about, as requested, see also https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/ so that we have something to work with. Both sides, and don’t obscure dates.

You also should provide pictures of the signs if you’re saying that they’re unclear. On the other hand, if the driver couldn’t be bothered to read them properly, it’s less easy to contest here.
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So, to summarise... The Keeper has received a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from ParkingEye for an alleged overstay of 19 minutes in a McDonald’s car park. The PCN was initially sent to the Keeper’s old address because the V5C had not been updated with the new address at the time ParkingEye requested the data from the DVLA. The notice has only recently come to light after being passed on. You are assisting the Keeper in dealing with this matter, as they are unable to handle it themselves due to disability, including neurodivergent and mental health-related issues.

This is not a fine. It is a private invoice alleging a contractual breach. ParkingEye is seeking to hold the Keeper liable under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). However, their Notice to Keeper does not fully comply with PoFA. It fails to meet the requirement in paragraph 9(2)(e)(i), which states that the notice must include a specific "invitation" to the Keeper to pay the unpaid parking charge if, after 28 days, the operator does not know the name and address of the driver. Because this required wording is missing, the notice is not PoFA-compliant. That means ParkingEye cannot transfer liability from the unknown driver to the Keeper.

The Keeper must not identify the driver. The operator cannot legally assume that the Keeper and the driver are the same person, and there is no obligation to disclose the driver’s identity. All references to the driver must be made in the third person.

The Keeper has 28 days from the date the notice was received to submit an appeal. This does not mean 28 days from the issue date printed on the notice. Paragraph 9(6) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 states that a notice sent by post is presumed to have been “given” to the Keeper two working days after it is posted. However, this is a rebuttable presumption. It only applies unless the contrary is proved. In this case, the notice was sent to the Keeper’s old address and was only later passed on after a delay. That delay rebuts the statutory presumption of delivery. The notice cannot be considered “given” until the Keeper actually received it. The 28-day appeal window begins from that actual date of receipt. Although the operator acted lawfully by using the address held by the DVLA at the time, PoFA still requires that the notice be actually “given” to the Keeper within the prescribed period to create liability. If the notice was not received within that time, then the operator cannot rely on PoFA to hold the Keeper liable, even if the delivery failure resulted from the Keeper’s own delay in updating their DVLA record.

The first step is for the Keeper to submit a Data Rectification Notice (DRN) under Article 16 of the UK GDPR. This notice instructs ParkingEye to rectify the Keeper’s personal data by updating the address on file. It must specify that the previous address is no longer valid for service and require confirmation that all future correspondence, including any legal proceedings, will be sent to the new correct address. This protects the Keeper from any claim being sent to the wrong address and potentially resulting in a default County Court Judgment (CCJ).

The Keeper should also submit an appeal, stating that the Notice to Keeper is not PoFA-compliant on two grounds. First, it was not “given” to the Keeper within the time required by paragraph 9(4), because it was sent to an old address and only received much later after being passed on. Although the operator used the address held by the DVLA at the time, the Keeper had only updated their driving licence and was unaware that the vehicle logbook (V5C) required a separate update. This is a common mistake and was corrected as soon as it was discovered. Second, the notice fails to include the statutory invitation required under paragraph 9(2)(e)(i), which means the operator cannot rely on PoFA to transfer liability to the Keeper. Because PoFA has not been complied with, the Keeper cannot be held liable. The appeal may also raise further arguments, including that the signage was unclear, particularly late at night, and that there was no visible or accessible way to pay for extending the stay. The driver, who remains unnamed, has a disability and would be considered a protected person under the Equality Act 2010. As such, the operator has a duty to make reasonable adjustments. These issues should be considered in any fair and lawful enforcement process.

If ParkingEye rejects the appeal, the next step is to submit an appeal to POPLA, the independent adjudication service. As long as the appeal is submitted by the Keeper without revealing the identity of the driver, and the PoFA non-compliance is clearly raised, there is a strong chance the POPLA appeal will be upheld.

If POPLA does not allow the appeal, the case may still not be over. ParkingEye would then typically pass the matter to debt recovery firms, who will send a stream of threatening letters. These letters can safely be ignored. Debt collectors have no enforcement powers and cannot take legal action. If the matter is not resolved at that stage, it may eventually be escalated to a county court claim. This is not something to be feared.

The county court is simply the final stage in the dispute resolution process. In most cases, claims are either struck out or discontinued before a hearing ever takes place. ParkingEye and its legal agents often fail to follow up or proceed properly, especially when a robust defence has been filed. Even in the rare case that the matter proceeds all the way to a hearing, there is still a realistic chance of success for the Keeper, particularly if the PoFA issue is properly raised and the driver has not been identified. The judge will assess the facts and legal compliance of the Notice to Keeper and the signage.

In summary, the Keeper should first issue a Data Rectification Notice to ensure all correspondence goes to the correct address. They should then appeal within 28 days of receiving the notice, arguing that the NtK is not PoFA-compliant and that no Keeper liability can arise. The Keeper should decline name the driver. If the appeal is rejected, escalate to POPLA. If POPLA also rejects the appeal, the Keeper can choose to defend a county court claim if it arises. The process should be managed calmly and methodically. If you require assistance drafting the DRN or the appeal text, let us know.
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Thank you for laying this all out and explaining the process and yes please to your offer to draft the DRN or the appeal text. I do not want to misstep on any part of this and want to ensure we stick rigidly to your suggestions and instructions as you are clearly the expert and we are learning all the time here!
Do you need photos of both sides of the PCN?
I don't believe I have said the driver said the signs were unclear, just that it was not something that had even crossed their mind because they were the only one in the car park and it was the middle of the night! Not helpful, but that is the truth of it.
Thank you again and I will look out for your response so I can hopefully get this DRN/appeal text off asap.

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The signage has to be prominent and there are minimum requirements which you can read about in the PPSCoP.

I'll leave you to do your own search of the forum as there are plenty of appeals you which you can use to put together your won. Just show it before you send it so that others can advise on any changes that may be necessary.

Here is a DRN you can adapt which should be sent to the operators Data Protection Officer (DPO) whose details you can find on their privacy policy on their website. You can include a copy of your V5C as proof of identity:

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Dear Sir/Madam,

RE: SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST

I write to make a formal Subject Access Request in respect of my personal information. I am entitled to make this request under data protection laws. The request is made in accordance with section 45 of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 15 of the retained EU General Data Protection Regulation 2016/679 (UK GDPR). You can identify my records using the information which is listed below.

Requester (data subject) information

(a). Full name:
(b). Address:
(c). Email address:
(d). Telephone number:
(e). PCN number:
(f). VRM:

Requested information

In accordance with my right of access under data protection law, I request the following:

(a) Copies of my personal data

I request that I am provided with full copies of all personal data relating to me which is held by [Operator name].

I would prefer to receive an electronic copy of the requested information.

(b) Purpose of the processing

Please confirm within your response the purpose (or purposes) for which my personal data was collected by [Operator name] in the first instance and the purpose (or purposes) for which is has been used by [Operator name] to date.

(c) Categories of the data

Please confirm within your response which categories of my personal data have been collected by [Operator name].

(d) Sharing of the data

Please confirm within your response which recipients my personal data has or will be disclosed to. Please also confirm whether my data will be shared outside of the United Kingdom and if so, what safeguards are in place in relation to this.

(e) Storage of the data

Please confirm within your response the retention periods for the storage of my personal data. If you are unable to confirm a specific retention period, please confirm what criteria will be used to determine this.

(f) Source of the data

Please confirm within your response which sources my personal data is collected from.

(g) Details about automated decision-making

Please confirm within your response whether any automated decision-making which uses my personal data is taking place or will take place. If this is the case, I ask that you please provide me with information about the logic involved in any such process and the relevant consequences the decision-making will have upon me.

(h). Existence of my rights

Please acknowledge and confirm within your response my right to request the rectification or erasure of my personal data and the right to object to or request a restriction the processing which is taking place.

Responding to my request

The above contains all necessary information in order for you to process my request and any delay by yourselves will not absolve you from providing me with the information within one calendar month of the date above as this is being sent to you as an attachment by email.

I believe that the information which has been requested should be readily available to you.

This request should not therefore fall within the legal definition of an excessive or manifestly unfounded request and should not attract any processing fee.

I would be grateful for your assistance in processing my request within the required one month period of your receipt.

Yours faithfully,

[your full name]
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Hi again, I have gone onto ParkingEye.s Privacy Policy page, which is incredibly long and seems only to give you the option of completing a form asking for your name, email, PCN number, and then your message as a means to contact them rather than the contact details for their Data Protection Officer.
Should I therefore put the contact details of the Keeper/driver and email address and in the message, put your response above or is there something I am missing? I cannot see any other contact details other than to post a letter to the address they put on there.

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Fantastic, thank you. I think I am best to just email from my own email address but as 'the Keeper/driver' so I get the responses. Or would that be a mistake? Should I get the Keeper/driver to email? At this time, Parking Eye do not have any contact details.

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Anything you do is as the Keeper.
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