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Hi there.

Help if possible pls, these guys seem persistent.

Car parked in a 10min waiting zone. First letter as follows:

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I then replied standard wording on their website portal:

"I have just received your Notice to Keeper xxxxx for vehicle VRM xxxx

The car park appears to be not relevant land as defined by paragraph 3 of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012, being subject to byelaws. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

Even if it were relevant land, you have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days as prescribed by section 9 (4) of the Act.

There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

I do not expect to hear from you again, or your debt collectors, except to confirm that no further action will be taken on this matter and my personal details have been removed from your records."

I then got this letter:

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I then replied with same standard wording as above. They've now sent this letter:

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Can I just (a) ignore them or (b) do I need to go to POPLA or (c) if ignored will it go to court etc eventually.

Help much appreciated, TX.

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Re: UKPC parked at a Hospital
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Hospitals usually are “relevant land”. However, if you know which specific byelaws apply to this specific hospital, it could be an exception.

You should use POPLA even if the outcome is the same, ie court, because it will look better that you tried all avenues to resolve this before court.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2026, 07:42:31 am by jfollows »

Re: UKPC parked at a Hospital
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The parking charge date was 09-04-2026 and the PPN issue date 16-04-2026.
Within the 14 days!

Re: UKPC parked at a Hospital
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I then replied standard wording

There is no "one size fits all" standard wording. That wording is fine in cases where the land is subject to byelaws, and where the notice was not given within the relevant period of 14 days, but it is not clear from what you have shown us that either of those things are correct.

If you're intending to fight this, it would be wise for us to explore your grounds for so-doing. Photos of the signage, and an explanation of why the driver parked for over 4 hours in a 10 minute drop-off area would both be helpful.

Re: UKPC parked at a Hospital
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Hi there.

I'll get them to go back and get some signage pics although you might have seen it was midnight ish that they parked there so pitch black and the area and signs aren't that well lit. In a previous visit the area stopped wasn't a 10 min limit, it's new ish signage. Reason for visit they say was the wife broke her ankle so it was in an emergency.

TX.

Re: UKPC parked at a Hospital
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Hi all.

Pics of signage:

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https://ibb.co/VYbQCPN4
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https://ibb.co/5WB5Tb16

Any thoughts?

Do these guys really pursue through the courts now? My experience of private tickets is that they try with a few letters then go silent. Normally debt collection x2 then a final legal letter.

TX.

Re: UKPC parked at a Hospital
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Search the forum for UKPC cases.
Some threads go quiet, others go to DCBL and DCB Legal which need to be defended.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 07:05:50 am by jfollows »

Re: UKPC parked at a Hospital
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I don't have any more recent figures, but in 2023 UKPC issued 4,227 County Court Claims.

Re: UKPC parked at a Hospital
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Ok I've searched for and read various UKPC cases on here, it seems they like to push the cases as far as they can albeit not "all the way".

I've only got the w/end left to go to POPLA, do you chaps have any suggestions re either paperwork issues or signage to use for POPLA?

Below is a copy / paste of some of the suggestions from other cases:

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9(1)A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.

(2)The notice must—

(a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;
As long as the driver is not identified, there is an appeal based on non-compliance with PoFA 2012 to transfer liability from the driver to the registered keeper.

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No period of parking stated - a single time stamp is not regarded as sufficient - Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(a) requirement.

A section of mandatory wording is missing - 9(2)(f) states that the notice must... Warn the keeper... blah blah blah... the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; - the warning in bold is missing and the NtK does not warn the keeper that the parking operator's NtK must meet "all the applicable conditions" to be able to use PoFA keeper liability.

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PoFA 9.2(a) as there is no mention of the “period of parking”. All that NtK mentions is a “vehicle duration”, whatever that may be.

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... that signage appears to be forbidding. That is, it doesn't make an offer for anyone to park on certain terms, it simply prohibits any and all stopping/parking. Given that there is no offer of consideration made by UKPC, there cannot be any contract formed between the driver and UKPC. If there is no contract, then no money is owed.

... even if the signage was otherwise capable of forming a contract (which, as above, will be denied), the content of it is poor - the £80 charge is hardly displayed prominently, instead being displayed in a small font amongst other text.

If they are deemed not to have 'specified' the relevant land, then they are unable to recover the charge from the registered keeper, instead only being able to pursue the driver (who they do not know), as they will be deemed not to have complied with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act (2012)

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TX.
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