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Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #15 on: »
The 'driver's' colour blindness ;)

Thanks so much.

How does this work for the landowner contract?

3) Lack of standing/authority from landowner
MET Parking Services has no title in this land and no PPSCoP compliant landowner contract assigning rights to charge and enforce in the courts in their own right has been evidence.
 
Annex G of the PPSCoP dictates some of the required contract wording. I put MET Parking Services to strict proof of the contract terms with the actual landowner (not a lessee or agent).

MET Parking Services has no legal status to enforce this charge because there is no assignment of rights to pursue PCNs in the courts in their own name nor standing to form contracts with drivers themselves. They do not own this car park and appear (at best) to have a bare license to put signs up and ‘ticket’ vehicles, merely acting as agents. No evidence has been supplied lawfully showing that MET Parking Services are entitled to pursue these charges in their own right.
 
I require MET Parking Services to provide a full copy of the contemporaneous, signed & dated (unredacted) contract with the landowner. I say that any contract is not compliant with the requirements set out in the PPSCoP and does not allow them to charge and issue proceedings for this sum for this alleged contravention in this car park.

In order to refute this it will not be sufficient for MET Parking Services merely to supply a site agreement or witness statement, as these do not show sufficient detail (such as the restrictions, charges and revenue sharing arrangements agreed with a landowner) and may well be signed by a non-landholder such as another agent. In order to comply with the PPSCoP, a non-landowner private parking company must have a specifically-worded contract with the landowner – not merely an ‘agreement’ with a non-landholder managing agent – otherwise there is no authority.

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #16 on: »
You do not assert that MET do not have a valid contract flowing from the landowner. You don't know that. You DO put them to strict proof that they have a valid contract.

Unfortunately, POPLA assessors are pretty thick when it comes to proof of a valid contract because they will accept a simple statement that one exists as "proof", together with the absurd argument that if the landowner has allowed signs to put in place, then they must surely be permitted.

You have to explain to the POPLA assessor that any contractual proof will have to fulfil what is required in the PPSCoP. So, whatever that provide as their evidence of a valid contract, it must show what is required in section 14 of the PPSCoP:

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14 Relationship with landowner

14.1. Where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner(s), before a parking charge can be issued written confirmation must be obtained by the parking operator from the landowner(s) covering:

a) the identity of the landowner(s);
b) a boundary map of the land to be managed;
c) such byelaws as may apply to the land relating to the management of parking;
d) the permission granted to the parking operator by the landowner(s) and the duration of that permission;
e) the parking terms and conditions that are to be applied by the parking operator, including as appropriate the duration of free parking permitted, parking tariffs, and specific permissions and exemptions, e.g. for staff, residents or those stopping for short periods such as taxi and minicab drivers, delivery drivers and couriers;
f) the means by which parking charges will be issued;
NOTE 1: For example, to the windscreen or through the post.
g) responsibility for obtaining relevant consents e.g. planning or advertising consents relating to signs;
h) the obligations under which the parking operator is working, in compliance with this Code and as a member of an ATA;
i) notification of the documentation that the parking operator may be required to supply on request to authorised bodies detailing the relationship with the landowner; and
j) the parking operator’s approach to the handling of appeals against parking charges.

NOTE 2: Where byelaws have been made, which prohibit the issuance of a parking charge, unless specific legal provision has been made to suspend them, they take precedence and therefore careful consideration must be given to ensuring that the parking management arrangements are consistent with them.

NOTE 3: Particular care is needed to establish appropriate contractual terms, including the application of parking terms and conditions, in respect of controlled land where leaseholders may have rights that cannot be qualified or overruled e.g. by imposing a requirement on the resident of an apartment block to display a permit to park in contravention of their rights under their lease, or to ensure that free parking periods do not breach planning consents.

So, you have to lead the POPLA assessor by the nose that a simple signed statement is not evidence, especially if the signatories to the statement are not identified by name and their standing to sign on behalf of their companies. Good luck with getting that agreed to, but it doesn't hurt to try.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #17 on: »
OK thanks so much for your advice.  I've re-written that section - would you say this is OK and the whole thing is good to go?

Authority from landowner
Further, I put MET Parking Services to strict proof that they have a valid contract from the landowner, that authorises them to operate and issue Parking Notices in their own name at this specific location. 

I require MET Parking Services to provide a full copy of the contemporaneous, signed & dated (unredacted) contract with the landowner.

It will not be sufficient for MET Parking Services merely to supply a site agreement or witness statement, as these do not show sufficient detail (such as the restrictions, charges and revenue sharing arrangements agreed with a landowner) and may well be signed by a non-landholder such as another agent. In order to comply with the PPSCoP, a non-landowner private parking company must have a specifically-worded contract with the landowner – not merely an ‘agreement’ with a non-landholder managing agent – otherwise there is no authority.

Section 14.1. Of the PPSCoP states:

Where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner(s), before a parking charge can be issued written confirmation must be obtained by the parking operator from the landowner(s) covering:

a) the identity of the landowner(s);
b) a boundary map of the land to be managed;
c) such byelaws as may apply to the land relating to the management of parking;
d) the permission granted to the parking operator by the landowner(s) and the duration of that permission;
e) the parking terms and conditions that are to be applied by the parking operator, including as appropriate the duration of free parking permitted, parking tariffs, and specific permissions and exemptions, e.g. for staff, residents or those stopping for short periods such as taxi and minicab drivers, delivery drivers and couriers;
f) the means by which parking charges will be issued;

NOTE 1: For example, to the windscreen or through the post.

g) responsibility for obtaining relevant consents e.g. planning or advertising consents relating to signs;
h) the obligations under which the parking operator is working, in compliance with this Code and as a member of an ATA;
i) notification of the documentation that the parking operator may be required to supply on request to authorised bodies detailing the relationship with the landowner; and
j) the parking operator’s approach to the handling of appeals against parking charges.

Without a valid contract that contains all the required wording under the PPSCoP, MET Parking Services will have no legal status to enforce this charge because there is no assignment of rights to pursue PCNs in the courts in their own name nor standing to form contracts with drivers themselves.

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #18 on: »
Hi.  I just want to check that this is good to go.  You didn't have any notes on the first part of my representations but if you think this is OK now I will submit today.

Thanks so much.

3. Authority from landowner
I put MET Parking Services to strict proof that they have a valid contract from the landowner, that authorises them to operate and issue Parking Notices in their own name at this specific location.

I require MET Parking Services to provide a full copy of the contemporaneous, signed & dated (unredacted) contract with the landowner.

It will not be sufficient for MET Parking Services merely to supply a site agreement or witness statement, as these do not show sufficient detail (such as the restrictions, charges and revenue sharing arrangements agreed with a landowner) and may well be signed by a non-landholder such as another agent. In order to comply with the PPSCoP, a non-landowner private parking company must have a specifically-worded contract with the landowner – not merely an ‘agreement’ with a non-landholder managing agent – otherwise there is no authority.

Section 14.1. Of the PPSCoP states:

Where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner(s), before a parking charge can be issued written confirmation must be obtained by the parking operator from the landowner(s) covering:

a) the identity of the landowner(s);
b) a boundary map of the land to be managed;
c) such byelaws as may apply to the land relating to the management of parking;
d) the permission granted to the parking operator by the landowner(s) and the duration of that permission;
e) the parking terms and conditions that are to be applied by the parking operator, including as appropriate the duration of free parking permitted, parking tariffs, and specific permissions and exemptions, e.g. for staff, residents or those stopping for short periods such as taxi and minicab drivers, delivery drivers and couriers;
f) the means by which parking charges will be issued;

NOTE 1: For example, to the windscreen or through the post.

g) responsibility for obtaining relevant consents e.g. planning or advertising consents relating to signs;
h) the obligations under which the parking operator is working, in compliance with this Code and as a member of an ATA;
i) notification of the documentation that the parking operator may be required to supply on request to authorised bodies detailing the relationship with the landowner; and
j) the parking operator’s approach to the handling of appeals against parking charges.

Without a valid contract that contains all the required wording under the PPSCoP, MET Parking Services will have no legal status to enforce this charge because there is no assignment of rights to pursue PCNs in the courts in their own name nor standing to form contracts with drivers themselves.  If this is the case, this Parking Notice is invalid and must be cancelled.

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #19 on: »
It's POPLA. Whatever they decide, if they don't agree with you, it doesn't matter and is not binding on you. Go for it and wait to see what evidence they provide in their response pack.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #20 on: »
Okey doke.  Thanks.  Will report back when I hear back from them.
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Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #21 on: »
Hello.  I've received the parking operator's evidence for my POPLA appeal.  I've uploaded a redacted version here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lWyEE_ch4HTHHdNCEuZdqe49GsRYxoHh/view?usp=sharing

The photos they've supplied for night time are of a completely different car park.  The day time photos - many of them are from the drive through, which the driver didn't access.  That's round the back of the site. 

The landowner contract they've supplied is nearly 15 years old.

They say that half the signs are on white background with black writing and that doesn't affect colour blindness - but that's not how colour blindness works. Half the sign was blue against red, which rendered the whole sign invisible to the driver.

How do I respond, if it all?

Thanks so much for your time and help.

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #22 on: »
You point out any of your appeal points that have not been rebutted and you rebut any of their appeal points in their evidence. Check what points they have evidenced, as required by the PPSCoP, from this point made in the POPLA appeal:

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Where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner(s), before a parking charge can be issued written confirmation must be obtained by the parking operator from the landowner(s) covering:

a) the identity of the landowner(s);
b) a boundary map of the land to be managed;
c) such byelaws as may apply to the land relating to the management of parking;
d) the permission granted to the parking operator by the landowner(s) and the duration of that permission;
e) the parking terms and conditions that are to be applied by the parking operator, including as appropriate the duration of free parking permitted, parking tariffs, and specific permissions and exemptions, e.g. for staff, residents or those stopping for short periods such as taxi and minicab drivers, delivery drivers and couriers;
f) the means by which parking charges will be issued;

NOTE 1: For example, to the windscreen or through the post.

g) responsibility for obtaining relevant consents e.g. planning or advertising consents relating to signs;
h) the obligations under which the parking operator is working, in compliance with this Code and as a member of an ATA;
i) notification of the documentation that the parking operator may be required to supply on request to authorised bodies detailing the relationship with the landowner; and
j) the parking operator’s approach to the handling of appeals against parking charges.

I note that they have only provided a couple of pages from their contract with McDonalds and a "Letter of Authority". They have not evidenced the points made in "e" above. When the contract as made 15 years ago, what were the agreed terms and conditions then and have they changed at all since then? For example, has the period of free parking changed? If so, where is the amendment to the contract?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #23 on: »
Hi.  Thank you so much for your help.  This is what I've written in response to their evidence.  What do you think so far?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PMYGlqWGt4OdPeD8nrRHjcN8UdWmSwLE/view?usp=sharing

Can I just double check that their Parking Notice is compliant?  I know I said I thought it was and I removed my evidence to suggest it wasn't, but somehow I sent my POPLA complaint with that bit still left in.  They've obviously come back and said their notice was compliant so I just want to double check. 

Here is the notice:

<a href="https://ibb.co/FL0rBhbP"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/FL0rBhbP/MET-parking-page-1.jpg" alt="MET-parking-page-1" border="0"></a>

<a href="https://ibb.co/1fF1ftXC"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/1fF1ftXC/Met-parking-page-2.jpg" alt="Met-parking-page-2" border="0"></a>


Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #24 on: »
DOn't worry about the PoFA bit being left in. You are taking this POPLA appeal far too seriously. If it is unsuccessful, you are not bound by the decision and it has absolutely no bearing on anything going forwards.

I cannot access your response because it requires access permission. Just make it "Public".
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #25 on: »
Yes I probably am! Ok noted.

I've changed privacy settings on the Google doc. Thanks so much.

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #26 on: »
It's all very nice but you cannot submit your response to the operators evidence with photos or anything else. Your response can only be plain, unformatted text, which you can copy and paste into the POPLA response webform. When POPLA look at it, there will be no formatting and will just be a single block of text.

So, forget coloured text, bold text, underlined text. Forget images.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #27 on: »
Ok understood thanks. But the content other than that is ok?
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Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #28 on: »
yes
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: MET Parking Services ticket
« Reply #29 on: »
Hi all.  Not surprisingly POPLA found in favour of MET Parking Services.  POPLA completely ignored my point that the photos MET provided at night time are of a completely different car park and NOT the one I parked in.  They also say my photos are not a true representation of the signage at the site.  They are literally photos of what's there so how they can't be a true representation is anyone's guess.  I'll post POPlA's response below.

I've now received this letter.  Should I respond or just ignore for now?



POPLA's response:

When assessing an appeal, POPLA considers whether the parking operator issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) correctly and if the driver complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. Both the appellant and the operator have provided photographs of the signage on site. In this car park, the terms and conditions state that the maximum stay time is one and a half hours. In this case, the operator has issued the PCN as the motorist parked for one hour and 46 minutes. The appellant has raised three main grounds of appeal, each of which I will address separately. • The appellant has stated that the keeper of the vehicle cannot be held liable for the PCN as the notice to keeper does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA 2012). PoFA 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper in the event that the driver or hirer is not identified. Parking operators have to follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver. Having reviewed the notice to keeper, I am satisfied that it has the necessary information and the parking operator has therefore successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper. While the appellant has made reference to section 8.1.2(e) of the Privete Parking Sector Single Code of Practice, this does not relate to PoFA 2012 and does not affect the operator’s ability to transfer liability. It is important to explain that POPLA’s role is solely to assess whether the PCN was issued correctly. Should the appellant be unhappy with the wording of the appeals process, then they would need to raise this with the parking operator directly. • The appellant has stated that a contract was not formed between the driver and the operator due to non-compliant signage. In support of this, the appellant has provided photographs of the signage and the site. The appellant has also made reference to the Consumer Rights Act 2015 and the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice. Regarding signage, section 19 of the applicable British Parking Association Code of Practice states that parking operators needs to have signs that clearly set out the terms of parking. I understand that the appellant has made reference to the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice, but parking operators have until December 2026 to implement the requirements for signage. As such, I will be assessing whether the signage complies with the applicable British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice. In this case, both the appellant and the operator have provided photographs of the signage on site. Section 19.3 of the BPA Code states that signs must be easy to see, read and understand. On the face of the evidence, I am satisfied that the terms and conditions, along with the consequences of failing to comply with them, are clearly set out. Regarding entrance signage, section 19.2 of the BPA Code of Practice states that parking operators must have entrance signs to advise motorists that they are entering into private land and that there are terms and conditions that they must be aware of. Again, both the appellant and the operator have provided images of the entrance signage and demonstrated its location. I am therefore satisfied that the operator has complied with the requirements regarding entrance signage. While the appellant appears to be indicating that the entrance sign cannot be seen on approach, I can see it within their image; the image was simply taken from a distance so it cannot be read. I further note that the appellant has commented that the signage is not where the operator claims it to be, but the evidence suggests that it is. The operator has also provided further images of the signage, along with a site map demonstrating the distribution throughout the site. I understand that the appellant has commented on every single sign, but in the absence of evidence to suggest otherwise, I am satisfied that there is sufficient signage throughout all areas of the site to advise of the parking conditions. I understand that the appellant has provided two images of several parking spaces, but I do not consider this to be an accurate representation of how the signage at the site looks. Regarding signage in the dark, Appendix B states that signs must be visible at all times. Within its evidence file, the operator has provided images of the signage at the night time, which demonstrate that they are well-illuminated during the night time. While the appellant has made reference to signage within disabled bays, by their own admission the motorist did not park within a disabled bay. As a result, I do not consider it necessary to address the adequacy of the signage within the disabled bays. Overall, in light of the evidence, I am satisfied that the signage is sufficient to bring the terms and conditions to the attention of motorists and I consider that the motorist was presented with the opportunity to review the terms before deciding whether to remain on site. As such, a parking contract was formed. • The appellant has stated that the operator has a lack of standing/authority from the landowner. Section 14.1 of the applicable Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice states that where controlled land is being managed on behalf of a landowner, written confirmation must be obtained before a parking charge can be issued. In response to this ground of appeal, the operator has provided a copy of its contract with the landowner. Having reviewed this and taking into consideration the fact that there are many signs at the site, I am satisfied that the operator has sufficient authority to issue PCNs on the land. I understand that the appellant is unhappy with the contract provided, but they have not provided any evidence which would dispute the validity of the contract in place. For the avoidance of doubt, POPLA’s role is solely to assess the validity of the PCN. After considering the evidence from both parties, I am satisfied that the motorist exceeded the maximum stay time and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal.
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