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Hi.

I took my friend to the airport. She had a cold, she had received a message two hours earlier that she was losing her job, so she felt terrible. At first I wanted to go to the car park where you can park for free for about 15-20 minutes and drop her off there, but because she felt very bad and was close to throwing up, I decided to drop her off at the nearest safe place, which was one of the entrances to some company. I stood there for literally 15 seconds, took her suitcase out of the boot, she left, and I immediately drove away.

A few days ago I got a letter with a penalty of £100 (or £60 if I pay quickly).

I immediately wrote to them an appeal and explained the whole thing. To my surprise, the next day I received a reply in which they rejected my appeal. What pissed me off the most was the content of this refusal. There is no reference to the content of my appeal, only repeated reminders that there are a lot of signs, prohibitions, information, etc. No one mentioned the emergency situation that I wrote about in the appeal and that there is no place in the entire area where you can stop for a few seconds in such a case. They completely ignored the content of my appeal.

Additionally, they gave information that I can appeal to the Independent Appeals Services (IAS), but then I have no chance of a lower £60 fee, I will have to pay the whole £100.

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Is it worth appealing to the IAS and if so, how should the appeal be formulated to be effective?

Thanks.



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What's done is done, but for future reference, be sure to come here for advice before appealing. VCS almost never accept appeals for any reason (where's the money to be made from accepting appeals?).

Please show us exactly what you submitted as your appeal and, importantly, if you revealed who was driving. If you did we can still explore defences, but the approach will be different.

An IAS appeal has almost no chance of success, it's a kangaroo court. VCS are quite litigous, so a court claim is likely, but if you're up for a fight we can support you in defending it.

Have a search on here and the MoneySavingExpert parking forum for examples of other John Lennon Airport cases.

I simply explained honestly why I stopped there. Exactly as I did here. What's most interesting is that when you fill out the appeal form on their website, you can choose the option of emergency stop for health reasons. As you can see, this is all just a deception.

I didn't look for help on the internet because I didn't expect such rude and impudent behavior from them. A few months ago, returning from this airport, I mistakenly set the navigation route to go through a toll bridge. It was the first time in my life that I drove this route. It was still quite dark and seeing the information board before the bridge, I thought they were for a toll motorway section, so I quickly changed the settings in the navigation and took smaller roads. Soon, a fine for not paying the bridge arrived. I sent an appeal, honestly explaining everything, and the fine was withdrawn. I only paid £2 for the crossing.

In this case, I also expected understanding, but as you can see, I was wrong.

The problem you may encounter with running a defence of the stop being necessitated by a medical emergency, is that you also took her suitcase out of the boot and, by the sounds of it, drove off without the ill passenger 15 seconds later.

If you had stopped for her to throw up, then continued on and dropped her off elsewhere, this would be a stronger argument.

For clarity, I'm not saying I don't believe you (this forum takes what people's versions of events at face value unless there's compelling reason not to), but you can hopefully see how it might be a tricky argument to make to a judge.

However, this doesn't mean all is lost, as there are other avenues to explore. One argument is that signage that prohibits stopping cannot form a contract, as it does not make an offer to park on certain terms, and thus no contract was formed between you and VCS.


Yes, I've read about that. But that argument won't help with an appeal to the IAS, right? The only option left is to take the case to court?

There's very little that will win you an IAS appeal. That's not a reflection on the quality of any such appeal, they're just not very even-handed.


Ok, thank You very much for Your help. I will just pay the £60 and in future I will be wiser to ask first and appeal later.

These can be defended if you're prepared to fight it - we can't guarantee success, but if you look around here and the MSE forum you'll find examples of them being defended successfully. It's your money at stake, so your call.

Ok, thank You very much for Your help. I will just pay the £60 and in future I will be wiser to ask first and appeal later.

Please!!!! Do not pay these vexatious little scammers. By paying at the "mugs discount" you are simply becoming part of the problem by funding their scam. This is easily defended if they try to litigate to collect the alleged debt.

You need to understand that this is not a "fine" and VCS have no statutory authority to penalise anyone. What you received is a speculative invoice from an unregulated private parking company for an alleged breach of of "contract" (we'll come to that in a minute) by the driver.

Whilst you blew away one very useful defence point by identifying the driver, as this location is land under statutory control (airport byelaws) and is is not "relevant land" for the purposes of PoFA 2012 and so, the Registered keeper (RK) cannot be liable for the charge. However, what's done is done and next time you will know better than to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company when there is absolutely no legal obligation to do so.

So, what is your other defence? As I mentioned, you have received an invoice from VCS for an alleged "breach of contract". What contract you may ask? Well, read the wording in their Notice to Keeper (NtK) (invoice):

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The charge has been incurred for the reason stated and liability brought to the attention of the driver by the Terms and Conditions displayed on signage placed at the entrance to the controlled area (site) and in prominent places throughout.

So, "terms & conditions mean that they are chasing you for an alleged debt because the driver as breached those Ts&Cs (the contract). The supposed contract was allegedly entered into by the conduct of the driver, whether they read the signs or not.

I suggest you do a GSV run through LJLA and show us any sign that is capable of forming a contract. A prohibitory sign, such as "No Stopping," fails to form a contract with a driver because it lacks the fundamental elements necessary to create a legally binding agreement.

A contractual sign requires a clear offer. A prohibitory sign does not constitute an offer to do something in exchange for consideration; instead, it dictates prohibited behaviour. For example, "No Stopping" is not inviting the driver to accept an offer but simply forbidding an action.

A contract also requires consideration—something of value exchanged between the parties. A sign prohibiting stopping does not offer anything of value to the driver in exchange for compliance. Without mutual consideration, there can be no valid contract.

For a contract to be enforceable, its terms must be clear and specific. A "No Stopping" sign is a regulatory or instructional notice, not a contractual term offering terms for stopping or parking. It does not outline the obligations, rights, or penalties in a way that would form a mutual agreement.

In contract law, acceptance is a conscious agreement to the terms of an offer. Drivers cannot "accept" a prohibition because it does not invite or permit acceptance. A prohibition is a directive, not a negotiable term.

A "No Stopping" sign is typically interpreted as a rule or regulation rather than an offer to enter into a private agreement. Such signs are designed to enforce behaviour, not to create a contractual relationship.

Both parties must intend to create legal relations for a contract to be valid. A prohibitory sign does not demonstrate an intention to form a contract; it indicates a prohibition enforced by penalty, typically through statutory or administrative mechanisms, not contract law.

In ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, the Supreme Court emphasised that signage must clearly set out terms and conditions for a contract to be valid. A prohibitory sign such as "No Stopping" does not set terms or conditions; it simply prohibits an action, meaning no contract is formed.

This distinction is critical in cases involving unregulated private parking companies, as they often attempt to enforce penalties on the basis of implied contracts. A prohibitory sign undermines such claims because it lacks the legal framework to establish a contractual agreement.

The signage at Liverpool John Lennon Airport (JLLA) uses prohibitory language, stating "No Stopping" and "£100 Charge if you Stop." Such language cannot form the basis of a contractual offer, as it does not permit or offer terms capable of acceptance.

Even if the sign could be interpreted as offering terms it is ambiguous. It does not specify how long a vehicle must stop to incur the charge or whether stopping momentarily for safety would constitute a breach. Ambiguity in purported terms renders them unenforceable.

The £100 charge is clearly punitive, arising from a prohibition, and does not represent a contractual term. Penalty charges in civil contract law are unenforceable unless they reflect a genuine pre-estimate of loss, which VCS has not demonstrated.

So, no enforceable contract was entered into or breached. Easily defended if they were to allow this to go all the way to a hearing n the small claims track of the county court.

Paying £60 to VCS is simply funding the scammers and so you become part of the problem, not the solution.
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Hi, I am new to this site & recently got a CN/NTK for the same airport and was looking for advice considering the letter only came through yesterday and it is already past the “pay early date”

We can only assist you if you start your own thread. It becomes impossible to deal with more than a single PCN per thread.

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