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Hi, new here, please spare me for anything wrong, as you can see I received this letter, this is following a parking ticket in the past year, since then I believe they sent me 2 of the usual letters which I ignored, then I believe on the third letter, I sent them the following,

I am emailing to inform you that I was not the driver of vehicle DF63ZHC on the date and time alleged.

The identity and address of the driver is: Boralesgamuwa, APR, Sri Lanka.

By naming the driver of the vehicle above any obligations as keeper have been discharged under the POFA 2012:

Right to claim unpaid parking charges from keeper of vehicle
4(1) The creditor has the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.
(2) The right under this paragraph applies only if—
(a) the conditions specified in paragraphs 5 [are met]
Conditions that must be met for purposes of paragraph 4
5(1)The first condition is that the creditor—
(a) has the right to enforce against the driver of the vehicle the requirement to pay the unpaid parking charges; but
(b) is unable to take steps to enforce that requirement against the driver because the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver.
(2) Sub-paragraph (1)(b) ceases to apply if (at any time after the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the day on which the notice to keeper is given) the creditor begins proceedings to recover the unpaid parking charges from the keeper.

Now you have actual knowledge of the driver identity (name and address), the conditions in paragraph 5 are no longer met, so the right to pursue the keeper is extinguished.

Now you are required to ERASE all personal details you hold for me under the GDPR.

Please can you let me know what I should do, I am worried, thank you

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Are you sure the foreign address you have given is the correct postal address. It seems a bit too vague.

Respond to Elms Legal by email and also CC in yourself:

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Re: Letter Before Claim dated 3 June 2025 – VCS Ref: [Insert Reference] – Vehicle: DF63ZHC

Dear Sirs,

I write in response to your Letter Before Claim dated 3 June 2025, which I consider to be wholly without merit.

You are pursuing me as the registered keeper of the above vehicle in relation to a Parking Charge Notice issued by Vehicle Control Services Ltd (VCS). However, I have already informed your client in writing that I was not the driver at the time of the alleged incident and have provided the full name and a current address for service of the driver, as required under Schedule 4, Paragraph 5(1)(b) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (“PoFA”).

Therefore, the right to pursue the keeper is extinguished once the creditor is in possession of both the driver's name and a valid serviceable address. Your client is now knowingly pursuing a party with no liability in law, and this amounts to unlawful processing of my data under the UK GDPR. I require confirmation that my data has been erased in line with my rights under Article 17 of the UK GDPR.

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

Because your letter lacks specificity and breaches the requirements of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (paragraphs 3.1(a)-(d), 5.1 and 5.2) as well as the Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct (paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c)), you must treat this letter as a formal request for all of the documents/information that the protocol now requires your client to provide. Your client must not issue proceedings without complying with that protocol.

As solicitors you must surely be familiar with the requirements of both the Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol for debt claims and your client, as a serial litigator of debt claims, should likewise be aware of them. As you (and your client) must know, the Practice Direction and Protocol bind all potential litigants, whatever the size or type of the claim. Its express purpose is to assist parties in understanding the claim and their respective positions in relation to it, to enable parties to take stock of their positions and to negotiate a settlement, or at least narrow the issues, without incurring the costs of court proceedings or using up valuable court time. It is embarrassing that a firm of Solicitors are sending a consumer a vague and un-evidenced 'Letter of Claim' in complete ignorance of the pre-existing Practice Direction and the Pre-Action Protocol.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. An explanation of the cause of action
2. Whether they are pursuing me as driver or keeper
3. Whether they are relying on the provisions of Schedule 4 of POFA 2012
4. What the details of the claim are; for how long it is claimed the vehicle was parked, how the monies being claimed arose and have been calculated
5. Is the claim for a contractual breach? If so, what is the date of the agreement? The names of the parties to it and provide to me a copy of that contract
6. If the claim is for a contractual breach, photographs showing the vehicle was parked in contravention of said contract
7. Is the claim for trespass? If so, provide details
8. Provide me a copy of the contract with the landowner under which they assert authority to bring the claim, as required by the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP)
9. A plan showing where any signs were displayed
10. Photographs of the signs displayed (size of sign, size of font, height at which displayed) at the time of any alleged contravention
11. Provide details of the original charge, and detail any interest and administrative or other charges added
12. Am I to understand that the additional £70 represents what is dressed up as a 'Debt Recovery' fee, and if so, is this nett or inclusive of VAT? If the latter, would you kindly explain why I am being asked to pay the operator’s VAT?
13. With regard to the principal alleged PCN sum: Is this damages, or will it be pleaded as consideration for parking?

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Letter before claim ELMS
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Hi thank you for your reply and assistance I really appreciate it, please can you confirm what you mean by CC myself in, new here, please excuse me

Re: Letter before claim ELMS
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When you send the email, you put the email address of Elms Legal (info@elmslegal.co.uk) in the "To:" field and in the "CC:" field, you put your own email address so that you receive an identical copy of what you sent to Elms.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain