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Hospital Parking, issue with Sippi / UK CPM
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Hi

please be gentle, the driver is new and made some mistakes.

The driver parked in St Marys Portsmouth on June 9, 2025 for 2 hours 7 mins.
Downloaded the Sippi App as per the signs and set it up to pay automatically on exiting the car park.
When the driver got home noticed that the time had started as they left the car park and was still running, stopped the time and paid the £1.70 it came up with. Instantly emailed Sippi via the App saying that there had been a mistake and the times were incorrect.
Sippi replied confirming £1.70 taken and no further action to be taken, see text below:

Good Afternoon 
 
Thank you for your email and I would like to apologise for the delay in our response.
 
 I have been able to locate a parking session with your vehicle registration.  In this instance I can confirm that a  charge of £1.70  has been issued to your vehicle for the below parking session.
 
I can confirm that there is no further action to be taken.
 
If you have any other questions don’t hesitate in getting in contact with us.
Kind regards,
Ashley R
Sippi Team
Customer Service Department
Switchboard: 0345 646 1360
 
 
From: Paul
Sent: 10 June 2025 08:19
To: Support | Sippi <support@sippi.com>
Subject: Fwd: Sippi Receipt #
 

Hi received this receipt after setting up automated payments in the App. However it does not appear to tie out to the times I was parked. It looks to have started as I was leaving until the time I got home. Not sure how to resolve to ensure I do not get a parking fine.
 
Many thanks
P***


On June 12 a PCN was issued and sent to the keeper of the vehicle. Thinking this was a fairly obvious mistake on behalf of the company the driver entered the appeal process and ticked that they were the driver of the car but shared the email stating that no action was due.

Appeal denied with boilerplate template and new PCN issued to the driver who naively admitted this previously on July 14.

Formal complaints issued to Sippi, CPM UK and the landowner
Sippi refuse to engage, CPM UK have replied and interestingly apologised for the email from Sippi - I hope this is enough to help make this go away. Due to the reasons the driver has been back and forward to the hospital they are very close to paying 50% by the deadline in 5 days.

complaint emails with UK PCM:

 
Our reference: 
 
Thank you for your recent correspondence. 
 
Following a comprehensive review of your complaint and the associated Parking Charge Notice (PCN), we can confirm that we have not breached any of our obligations under the Private Parking Single Code of Practice, nor have we infringed upon your rights as a motorist. 
 
Parking Charge Notices are issued when a motorist breaches the terms and conditions of parking, which are clearly displayed on signage at the site. These terms form a unilateral contract between the driver and ourselves. By choosing to park on the site, the motorist is deemed to have accepted those terms. In this instance the driver failed to comply with the terms by; Failure to pay for the full duration of stay. 
 
Such charges are legally enforceable, provided they are issued in accordance with:
 
The Private Parking Single Code of Practice
The relevant provisions of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (where applicable)
 
The legal precedent established in ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, confirmed that parking charges issued in these circumstances are lawful and recoverable. 
 
Please find our response to your Parking Charge Notice related concerns or enquiries below.
 
The vehicle remained on site for 2 hours and 7 minutes, we can confirm we received payment for 1 hour however, as the vehicle remained on site for an additional 1 hour and 7 minutes without further payment, a PCN was issued.
 
Whilst we note your comments regarding your Sippi correspondence, this appears they have advised payment has been received of £1.70 at the time of the contravention. However, Sippi is unable to cancel PCNs, we apologise for the miscommunication.
 
We are satisfied that the PCN in question was issued correctly and in full compliance with the above standards.
 
Please be advised that this department solely handles complaints concerning our operations and the validity of a Parking Charge Notice (PCN). Any complaints or requests relating to data protection must be directed to our dedicated Data Protection team via email at dpo@uk-cpm.com.
 
Settlement of the Parking Charge Notice can be made via the methods detailed below: 
Online: www.paymyticket.co.uk 
By Phone: 0345 463 4040 (24hr) 
By Post: Payments & Collections, PO Box 3114, Lancing BN15 5BR 
 
Please ensure that your Parking Charge Notice Reference is detailed on the reverse of any cheque payment to ensure that we can correctly allocate the payment. 
       
We thank you for contacting us and trust the above response addresses your queries. Please note, any further correspondence received from you will be logged but may not be responded to. 
 
We are members of the International Parking Community (IPC) Accredited Operator Scheme (AOS). 
 
The IPC is a DVLA Accredited Trade Association (ATA) and has a Code of Practice and an Independent Appeals Service (IAS) that allows a Motorist access to an independent adjudication process on the lawfulness of Parking Charges issued by their members. An important condition of being an AOS member is that operators must adhere to The Code. 
 
If you are not content with the response, we have provided you with, you can refer this to the IPC who will investigate and provide you with a response.
 
 
Yours Sincerely,


Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your response regarding PCN reference 20250718-03-CPM.

I must make it clear that your apology regarding the miscommunication with Sippi is not acceptable. The failure in communication, coupled with the lack of coordination between your payment processing partner and your enforcement operations, directly contributed to the issuance of this charge. That is not a minor administrative oversight—it undermines the legitimacy of the charge itself.

Your admission that payment was received at the time of the visit confirms that the driver attempted to comply with your stated terms. The fact that your own systems or third-party partners did not reflect this appropriately does not constitute a breach on the part of the motorist, but rather a failure of your operational processes. Issuing a PCN under these circumstances and then shifting responsibility away from yourselves is entirely unreasonable.

Furthermore, your statement that future correspondence may not be responded to is deeply concerning and reflects a disregard for due process and fair handling of legitimate complaints. I expect this matter to be reviewed more thoroughly, including a proper investigation into the miscommunication with Sippi and a reconsideration of the PCN in light of the full context.

I request a formal response addressing the above concerns in detail. Should I not receive a satisfactory reply, I will not hesitate to escalate this matter to the Independent Appeals Service and report it to the relevant regulatory bodies.

Yours faithfully,


Any advice greatly appreciated
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Re: Hospital Parking, issue with Sippi / UK CPM
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Please show us the Notice to Keeper (NtK) you received. Do not redact any dates or times.

Has your appeal been officially rejected and have you been told that you can appeal to the IAS?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Hospital Parking, issue with Sippi / UK CPM
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Adjusted a mistake in the date as Notice to Keeper was June 12, new notice was July 14

Appeal was rejected and yes there is a note on there that I can refer to the IPC

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Re: Hospital Parking, issue with Sippi / UK CPM
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I don't understand this bit:

"...the driver entered the appeal process and ticked that they were the driver of the car..."

Who was the Notice to Keeper (NtK) addressed to? Whatever has been done, identifying the unknown driver to the operator is a fatal mistake in any Parking Charge Notice (PCN) dispute. There is absolutely no legal obligation on the Registered Keeper to identify the driver and they should never, ever, do so if they want a reasonable chance of getting this cancelled.

It is fairly obvious that the Keeper either identified the driver or the driver appealed and identified themself as a different entity from the Keeper, because it is obvious that a new PCN was issued to the named driver a month later.

As you are now in the midst of the corrupt IPC system of appeal and IAS appeal, nothing will ever be resolved in this situation unless you are prepared to defend yourself in court when they issue a claim for this. Are you up for fighting this all the way or not. I am not prepared to invest much time or effort if you are going to give up when the going gets tough.

I will provide a suitable IAS appeal, not that it will succeed but will at least set the stage for any later defence. For now you can appeal to the IAS with the following (assuming that the driver has been identified and the new PCN is in their name:

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I am the driver of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms. In particular, the signage must clearly explain how the Sippi App functions, including when payment is triggered and how time is calculated. The driver followed the instructions on the signage, downloaded the app, and set it to pay automatically on exit. The app failed to register the session correctly and only started the timer as the driver was leaving the site. The driver manually stopped the session and paid £1.70, which was confirmed by Sippi in writing. Sippi also confirmed that no further action was required.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land. In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes the identity of the landowner, a boundary map of the land to be managed, applicable byelaws, the duration and scope of authority granted, detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions, the means of issuing PCNs, responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents, and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code. These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP. In this case, the driver paid for the session via the app, and CPM has admitted in writing that payment was received and that there was a miscommunication with Sippi. This confirms that the driver attempted to comply with the terms and that the failure was operational, not contractual.

4. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers”. Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that a motorist cannot be held liable for a failure caused by the operator’s own systems or third-party agents.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Hospital Parking, issue with Sippi / UK CPM
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That is exactly what happened, the notice to keeper came to another household member and the appeal form got completed in good faith. I have learnt a valuable lesson for the future though.

Thanks for the advice on how to take this further, I was willing to go after this as it annoyed me so much and this must be happening to other people (I was back there yesterday for another appointment and yet again the system failed to find my car park entry time so I had to enter in manually).

I had also complained via the hospital and got hold of the department that has the contract with UK CPM - just received an email this morning that they will instruct them to cancel the fine. Should get confirmation in the next 5 days. So good news!!

Thanks again

Re: Hospital Parking, issue with Sippi / UK CPM
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It is not and never can be a "fine", so please don't refer to it as such. It is simply a speculative invoice from an unregulated private parking firm for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. These bottom-dwelling companies are no "authority" that can issue "fines".

You are correct that this is happening on a large scale. These scummy ex-clamper firms issue over 41,000 private parking notices a day! Yes, you read that correctly... every day and it is increasing.

If this was in a hospital car park, the first port of call is always PALS. They have the authority to get PCNs cancelled.

In the meantime, you should make your views known in the latest government consultation that will, hopefully get this corrupt industry properly regulated, once and for all:

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/private-parking-code-of-practice
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain