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On 6th June - The driver went to the shopping centre was unaware that there was a charge for parking. Parked up for 25 mins to purchase some food from a vendor.

I the registered keeper received a PCN through the post on 28th June 2024

I have asked the food vendor to send some pictures of the parking notices and will attach here once received. any thoughts on this please?





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Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre - London
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That tariffs apply seems to be made pretty clear by the signs, all that is required is that the signs are 'there to be seen' and create a contract it's then up to the driver to look and read.

It looks to me that they have met the requirements to hold the keeper liable.

G24 will not accept any appeal. Nor will e allegedly (but not) Independent appeals service, so even with a string defence you would be left to see if they wanted to chance their arm in court or not.
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Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre - London
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That tariffs apply seems to be made pretty clear by the signs, all that is required is that the signs are 'there to be seen' and create a contract it's then up to the driver to look and read.

It looks to me that they have met the requirements to hold the keeper liable.

G24 will not accept any appeal. Nor will e allegedly (but not) Independent appeals service, so even with a string defence you would be left to see if they wanted to chance their arm in court or not.

Do we have any previous cases with G24 that can be used to ascertain if they will go to court or not? - Please note this is my first PCN from them

Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre - London
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It looks to me that they have met the requirements to hold the keeper liable.
It doesn't to me, look at the dates.

They have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act in order to hold you liable as the keeper (there's a link to the relevant legislation in my signature - amongst other things they have failed to issue the notice such that it is delivered within the relevant period of 14 days).

They are unlikely to accept your appeal, but you should nevertheless appeal to show you know your stuff. Something along the following lines

Dear Sirs,

I have received your Parking Charge Notice (Ref: ________) for vehicle registration mark ____ ___, in which you allege that the driver has incurred a parking charge. I note from your correspondence that you are not seeking to hold me liable as the registered keeper, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ("The Act"). You have chosen not to issue a Notice to Keeper in accordance with The Act, and it is now too late for you to do so.

There is no obligation for me to name the driver and I will not be doing so.

I am therefore unable to help you further with this matter, and look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled.

Yours,

You are appealing as the keeper, beware of any tick boxes etc. that try to trick you into identifying the driver.

Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre - London
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It looks to me that they have met the requirements to hold the keeper liable.
It doesn't to me, look at the dates.

They have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act in order to hold you liable as the keeper (there's a link to the relevant legislation in my signature - amongst other things they have failed to issue the notice such that it is delivered within the relevant period of 14 days).

They are unlikely to accept your appeal, but you should nevertheless appeal to show you know your stuff. Something along the following lines

Dear Sirs,

I have received your Parking Charge Notice (Ref: ________) for vehicle registration mark ____ ___, in which you allege that the driver has incurred a parking charge. I note from your correspondence that you are not seeking to hold me liable as the registered keeper, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ("The Act"). You have chosen not to issue a Notice to Keeper in accordance with The Act, and it is now too late for you to do so.

There is no obligation for me to name the driver and I will not be doing so.

I am therefore unable to help you further with this matter, and look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled.

Yours,

You are appealing as the keeper, beware of any tick boxes etc. that try to trick you into identifying the driver.

Thanks I have appealed and you are right about the tickbox - it defaults to the driver of the vehicle. They don`t even send an acknowledgment email but I have taken a screenshot of it. Let`s see what they come back with.


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Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre - London
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Please tell us you didn't select anything that identifies you, the keeper, as the driver.

Only the unknown (hopefully) driver is liable. The NtK is not fully compliant with the requirements of PoFA in that it was not deemed "given" within 14 days of the parking event. The parking event was on 6th June and the NtK issued on the 26th June, therefore deemed to have been "given" on the 28th June, well past any 14 day period.

As long as the known keeper down not blab the unknown drivers identity, inadvertently or otherwise, they have nowhere to go with this.

Please confirm that you used the wording provided by @DWMB2 without embellishment and that you did not tick any box that suggests the appellant was the driver.
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Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre - London
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Please tell us you didn't select anything that identifies you, the keeper, as the driver.

Only the unknown (hopefully) driver is liable. The NtK is not fully compliant with the requirements of PoFA in that it was not deemed "given" within 14 days of the parking event. The parking event was on 6th June and the NtK issued on the 26th June, therefore deemed to have been "given" on the 28th June, well past any 14 day period.

As long as the known keeper down not blab the unknown drivers identity, inadvertently or otherwise, they have nowhere to go with this.

Please confirm that you used the wording provided by @DWMB2 without embellishment and that you did not tick any box that suggests the appellant was the driver.

I can confirm I copied and pasted the wording from @DWMB2 and selected the Registered keeper when submitting the appeal
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Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre - London
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RE: Contractual Parking Charge Notice 162424060647

Regarding the above Contractual Parking Charge Notice, we would like to confirm that this has been waived.

No further action is required by you.

Appeals Team
G24 Ltd

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They have cancelled the PCN - Thank you all -

Re: G24 PCN - Failed to Pay - Edmonton Green Shopping Centre - London
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Good result! Thanks for the update.