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PCN from Nationwide parking private estate
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I’m a TfL-licensed PHV cab driver and was picking up a passenger at a private estate. I stopped briefly on a dropped kerb, remained in the car with hazards on, to safely collect the passenger.

I got a £100 Parking Charge Notice. I appealed through IAS, arguing signage didn’t prohibit brief attended stops, I was loading/unloading, and timestamps didn’t match.  The appeal however went against my favour therefore the fine still stands.

Now the operator says I owe the full £100; the early payment discount I expected is gone. Feeling this is unfair—any advice or similar experiences?

Should I pay it or ignore?

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Re: PCN from Nationwide parking private estate
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Neither pay it nor ignore.

Please read https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/ and post as requested so you can get advice.

Including your appeals. The IAS is not independent in any way and “approves” 4% of appeals, but this doesn’t mean you’re wrong.

Saying you’ve received a notice which you don’t show us followed by an appeal which you don’t show us followed by a rejection of the appeal which you don’t show us isn’t helpful if you want advice.
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Re: PCN from Nationwide parking private estate
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Simply calling this a “fine”, alerts us to the fact that you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree, ripe for the picking by these ex-clamper, unregulated private parking firms.

Your naïveté speaks volumes to these predator companies. If you can show me the word “fine” anywhere in any of the correspondence you received, I will give £100.

The PCN (speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver) you received as a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK), should state the contractual term the Keeper breached. Until you show us the original NtK, both sides, it is not really possible to give you proper advice.

Suffice it to say, if you, the Keeper, blabbed the identity of the driver in your appeals, you have probably thrown away a perfectly good defence of the NtK is not 100% compliant with PoFA 2012.

These PCNs are always relatively easy to defend, and defend you will have to, unless you are gullible enough to be intimidated into paying out of ignorance and fear.

So, if you want advice on how to fight this scam, show us the NtK and tell us EXACTLY what you put in your appeals.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Background

The driver is a TfL-licensed PHV driver and entered a private residential estate in order to collect a passenger who lives there. The pickup point was selected by the passenger via the app and corresponded with the estate location.

Upon arrival, the driver briefly stopped inside the estate for the purpose of collecting the resident, remaining with the vehicle at all times. There was no intention to park or leave the vehicle. A site operative began photographing the vehicle almost immediately, without identifying themselves, issuing any verbal warning, or allowing any grace / observation period.

A PCN was later issued by Nationwide Parking Control for “No Waiting”.



Appeal Process

Stage 1 – Direct Appeal to Nationwide Parking Control
An initial appeal was submitted directly to the operator explaining that:

• The vehicle was present solely for resident passenger collection.

• The driver was carrying out professional PHV duties.

• The stop was brief and unavoidable.

• No grace period was allowed.

• Signage did not clearly address brief pick-up / professional transport activity.

This appeal was rejected.


Stage 2 – IAS Appeal
The appeal was escalated to the IAS. During this stage, points raised and discussed included:

• Dispute over whether signage sufficiently prohibited brief stopping for passenger collection.

• Whether “No Waiting” reasonably includes short-duration pick-up activity.

• The driver’s role as a professional PHV operating in good faith.

• The lack of any grace period or attempt to instruct the driver to move.

Nationwide maintained that TfL licensing does not override private land rules and that any stopping constituted a breach. The IAS ultimately dismissed the appeal and sided with the operator.



Current Position

Throughout the appeal process it was understood that the charge was on hold; however, following the IAS decision, the operator portal now displays the balance as £100, with the discounted rate no longer being honoured.



Evidence Available

• Screenshot of the trip showing the passenger-selected pickup point

• Record of passenger journey and fare

• Operator photographs

• Copies of all appeal correspondence and IAS decision

• Photos of site signage (to be uploaded)



Advice Requested

I would appreciate guidance on:

• Whether this case has a realistic defence if pursued through court

• If complaint to the landowner/managing agent may successfully override the operator

• Any procedural or legal points that may strengthen my position

Photos of the PCN and signage will be uploaded as advised.


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