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Hello,
Can anybody advise on this parking charge notice from Euro Car Parks please, is this worth appealing?
The registered keeper has received a Parking Charge Notice from Euro Car Parks relating to a stay at an M&S car park in Beckenham.
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Car park limit: 90 minutes
ANPR recorded stay: 1 hour 43 minutes (entry 13:15:32, exit 14:58:24), with ANPR photos of the vehicle number plate on entry/exit
Date of event: 6 April 2026 (Bank Holiday Monday)
PCN issued: 13 April 2026
£85 charge, reduced to £50 if paid within 14 days

The driver entered the car park and, due to it being a busy bank holiday, it took some time to find a space.

Signage is present at the entrance, near the shop entrance, and in parts of the main car park. However, the driver eventually parked in a smaller bay (approx. 6 spaces) on the opposite side where there were no visible signs at all (photos available).

On leaving, there was congestion: a one-way exit with no alternative routes, and a queue of cars waiting at traffic lights with a long cycle. This caused delays exiting the site.

The Notice to Keeper is dated 13 April but was only received on 20 April, so a week of the reduced payment period has already passed.

Any guidance on the best approach and likelihood of success would be much appreciated. Is it worth appealing to Euro Car Parks first (and then to POPLA if rejected)?

Many thanks in advance.

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Re: Euro Car Parks_ Overstayed max time_M&S foodhall_Beckenham
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You could appeal on the basis that you were unable to leave due to traffic congestion - they will probably reject, but it puts them on notice.  Make sure you appeal as keeper only, and refer to the driver in the 3rd person.  The PCN is missing the invitation to pay or name the driver which is a point for POPLA or the small claims court if it goes that far.  The signage may be a point for POPLA as well - it looks like you parked in the small bay on the right of the entrance - if there are no signs as you enter, and turn into this area, then you could argue for inadequate signage as well - but this will not hold much water if you drove around the carpark 3 times first, past all the other signs, and then entered the store passing the sign at the door (there is one shown on Street View, but it refers to different terms)!

This appears to be an M&S owned car park, so, assuming you were a customer, you should also get on to them and ask them to get it cancelled.

Re: Euro Car Parks_ Overstayed max time_M&S foodhall_Beckenham
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Hi, thank you very much for your advice. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond.
Just to clarify a couple of points:
The keeper did contact M&S to see if they could help cancelling the charge, but they advised that it is not their car park and is privately managed, so they were unable to help.

Regarding the layout, the bay where the driver parked is actually just before the exit. What is quite unusual is that all the signage appears to be positioned on the opposite side of that bay. On the side where the vehicle was parked, there are no visible signs at all, despite there being plenty of space for them. It does feel somewhat disconnected from the rest of the car park in that sense. I take your point about signage being present elsewhere, though.

Also, thank you for mentioning the wording point on the notice. Looking at it more closely, it seems to include some elements of the requirements under Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4, but the wording appears somewhat fragmented and spread out rather than set out clearly in one place. Would it be correct to understand that this part needs to meet a fairly strict standard in terms of how the “invitation” is presented?
Thank you very much again for your help.

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The keeper did contact M&S to see if they could help cancelling the charge, but they advised that it is not their car park and is privately managed, so they were unable to help.
 Yet the signage says it is managed on behalf of M&S!
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Re: Euro Car Parks_ Overstayed max time_M&S foodhall_Beckenham
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it does sound like the store staff just didn’t want to get involved.
I might try again with someone else at a quieter time. After reading some similar cases on here, the point about the NtK potentially missing important bits is very valuable. Thanks for pointing it out @RichardW.

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Quick update, the keeper went back to M&S and asked again about cancelling, but was told they can’t cancel as it’s managed separately. So looks like the only option now is to proceed with an appeal.
Draft appeal below, any obvious issues before submitting, please?

Also, one more thing that came up when speaking to the store staff, they mentioned that the land is actually owned by a church, not M&S, which is why they said they couldn’t get involved. However, the signage on site says it’s managed on behalf of M&S.
Would that kind of inconsistency be worth raising in terms of landowner authority, i.e. asking Euro Car Parks to prove they have the right to operate and issue charges there? Or is that unlikely to add much in this case?

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and I am appealing this Parking Charge Notice.
The charge is disputed on the following grounds:

1. No evidence of the required “period of parking”
The Notice to Keeper does not comply with the requirements of Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4, paragraph 9(2)(a), as it fails to specify the period of parking.
The notice relies solely on ANPR images showing entry and exit times. These do not represent the period of parking, as they include time spent entering, locating a space, and exiting the car park.

2. Failure to account for time not spent parked (grace periods and congestion)
The recorded duration includes time spent:
- locating a parking space in a busy car park, and
- queuing to exit due to congestion and a one-way system with traffic lights
This is not parking time and must not be included in any calculation of a parking period.

3. Inadequate signage in the area where the vehicle was parked
The vehicle was parked in a small bay (approximately 6 spaces) near the exit where there was no visible signage at all.
Signage in other parts of the car park does not sufficiently bring the terms and conditions to the attention of drivers parking in this specific area.
As such, no clear contract could have been formed.

4. Non-compliance with Schedule 4 of PoFA 2012
The Notice to Keeper appears not to fully comply with the mandatory wording and requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, including the requirement to clearly and properly set out the conditions under which keeper liability may apply.
As such, the operator cannot transfer liability to the keeper.

5. No evidence of landowner authority
The operator is put to strict proof that it has the necessary authority from the landowner to issue and enforce parking charges at this site.
There appears to be inconsistency regarding the land ownership and management arrangements. Signage suggests the site is managed on behalf of Marks & Spencer, while it has been indicated that the land may be owned by a third party.
The operator is required to demonstrate that it has a valid and current contract with the landowner (or authorised agent), including the authority to:
- issue parking charge notices, and
- pursue them to recovery

In the absence of such evidence, the charge is invalid.

***

Thank you very much once again.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2026, 12:17:51 pm by Needadvice »

Re: Euro Car Parks_ Overstayed max time_M&S foodhall_Beckenham
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ECP will not uphold the appeal but there is a better chance with POPLA since ECP PCNs are not PoFA compliant.
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Thank you @InterCity125, would it be ok to consider this draft for POPLA, I want to make sure that I raise relevant points from the outset. Thank you

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Hello,
Update on this case. I have now received the rejection letter from ECP following my initial appeal and they have provided a POPLA code. I am attaching the rejection letter (with address and number plate redacted). Hope you can see the letter through the link here:
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I would really appreciate it if someone experienced could comment on whether the points raised in my draft would be suitable for a POPLA appeal, whether anything important is missing, or if there is anything that could strengthen my chances. And if the format is also suitable.

Thank you very much

*******
I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and I am appealing this Parking Charge Notice.
The charge is disputed on the following grounds:

1. No evidence of the required “period of parking”
The Notice to Keeper does not comply with the requirements of Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4, paragraph 9(2)(a), as it fails to specify the period of parking.
The notice relies solely on ANPR images showing entry and exit times. These do not represent the period of parking, as they include time spent entering, locating a space, and exiting the car park.

2. Failure to account for time not spent parked (grace periods and congestion)
The recorded duration includes time spent:
- locating a parking space in a busy car park, and
- queuing to exit due to congestion and a one-way system with traffic lights
This is not parking time and must not be included in any calculation of a parking period.

3. Inadequate signage in the area where the vehicle was parked
The vehicle was parked in a small bay (approximately 6 spaces) near the exit where there was no visible signage at all.
Signage in other parts of the car park does not sufficiently bring the terms and conditions to the attention of drivers parking in this specific area.
As such, no clear contract could have been formed.

4. Non-compliance with Schedule 4 of PoFA 2012
The Notice to Keeper appears not to fully comply with the mandatory wording and requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, including the requirement to clearly and properly set out the conditions under which keeper liability may apply.
As such, the operator cannot transfer liability to the keeper.

5. No evidence of landowner authority
The operator is put to strict proof that it has the necessary authority from the landowner to issue and enforce parking charges at this site.
There appears to be inconsistency regarding the land ownership and management arrangements. Signage suggests the site is managed on behalf of Marks & Spencer, while it has been indicated that the land may be owned by a third party.
The operator is required to demonstrate that it has a valid and current contract with the landowner (or authorised agent), including the authority to:
- issue parking charge notices, and
- pursue them to recovery

In the absence of such evidence, the charge is invalid.

Re: Euro Car Parks_ Overstayed max time_M&S foodhall_Beckenham
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Euro Car Parks POPLA Appeal


I am the Registered Keeper of the vehicle in question and, since the driver is not known to the operator, I will be making my representations purely as keeper.


I understand that, under 'POPLA Rules', I must set out my appeal points and the parking operator must rebut them?


Non compliance with PoFA 2012.

The parking operators NtK fails to comply with PoFA and, as a result, liability cannot be passed from driver to keeper.

In particular, the NtK fails to satisfy the legal requirements of PoFA Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e), 9(2)(e)(i) and 9(2)(e)(ii).

This non compliance is immediately fatal to the operators reliance on PoFA.

Paragraph 9(2)(e), 9(2)(e)(i) and 9(2)(e)(ii) sets out the following;


THE NOTICE MUST STATE that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—

(i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or

(ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;


So, in order to establish compliance, we must examine the operators NtK.

An examination of the legislation surrounding 9(2)(e) reveals that compliance is achieved by the setting out of the statutory wording immediately followed by a two limbed 'invitation to the keeper' to either 'pay the unpaid parking charges' or 'nominate another driver'.

So, to make this really easy, in the first instance, we are looking for the specific statutory wording set out in 9(2)(e) itself.

The legislation specifies that THE NOTICE MUST STATE, "that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver"

An examination of the operators NtK reveals that the statutory wording is not present.

This is immediately fatal to the operators reliance on PoFA.

However, to demonstrate my appeal point further, the NtK is then required to present a two limbed 'invitation to the keeper' which 'invites the keeper' to either 'pay the unpaid parking charges' or 'if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver'

Please again note the exact wording of the statute;

That the notice must state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver AND invite the keeper— blah blah blah

I have capitalised  the word AND for good reason since the word AND demonstrates that compliance is only achieved if the operator is able to demonstrate that both legs of the AND logic have been satisfied.

Please note (and I apologise for sounding like a Junior School Teacher) that a 'warning to the keeper' is not 'an invitation to the keeper' - The words 'warn' and 'invite' have very different meanings and it is important that the correct wording is understood and applied when examining the NtK since other terms of the legislation require that 'a warning' be set out on the NtK - I understand that some POPLA assessors have become confused on this issue in the past and have inadvertently applied the reversed meanings - to be clear, a warning is not an invite.

So, back to the two limbed invitation to the keeper - when the NtK is examined the two limbed invitation is not present.

Nor is there an 'invitation to the keeper to pay the unpaid charges' - this is also the specific requirement of 9(2)(e)(i).

So, as I am sure you can see, there are multiple compliance issues on the operators NtK.


So,

APPEAL POINT ONE - That the operators NtK does not contain the legally required mandatory wording required by 9(2)(e), namely; "the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" - I therefore ask the operator to specifically rebut this appeal point by supplying a copy of the relevant NTK, to the POPLA Assessor, with an orange rectangle around the wording, "the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" - for total clarity, please do not include any other notations on the provided NtK - just the orange rectangle.

APPEAL POINT TWO - That, subsequent to the statutory wording required by 9(2)(e), the operators NtK does not set out the mandatory two legged invitation to the keeper to either pay the unpaid parking charges or nominate another driver - Once again, I ask the operator to specifically rebut this appeal point by supplying a copy of the NtK which clearly sets out, in an orange rectangle, the two legged legal invitation which the legislation requires in order to be compliant.

APPEAL POINT THREE - That, in accordance with 9(2)(e) and subsequently 9(2)(e)(i), the NtK must 'invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges' - Once I again I ask the operator to prove that the NtK complies with this requirement - please demonstrate the 'invitation to the keeper to pay the unpaid charges' - Please do not confuse this 'invitation' with any 'warning to keeper' contained in the requirements of 9(2)(f).


If both the Parking Operator and the POPLA Assessor could use my numbered points then this would be very useful and should ensure that all appeal points are correctly addressed.


Best wishes,

xxxxx xxxxxxx
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