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Euro Car park PCN- No lights!
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Hi everyone. Thanks in advance for the help.

We recieved a euro car parks PCN for an unpaid 12 minute stay. The car park in question has very poor signage upon approach and no lighting so we weren't even aware we had parked in the car park.

There is an approach to the car park that has several bays alongside it, I am not sure if these are part of the car park or not. We essentially parked to grab something from the shop and then left, if I'd know we were in a pay and display I would've paid the £1!

We don't normally drive through this area so we aren't familiar with the normal parking restrictions.

The signs aren't visible during the evening so we were unaware we had this issue. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

https://maps.app.goo.gl/ra4spC69qVNW3cTi9?g_st=ac

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Re: Euro Car park PCN- No lights!
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This would be easy to win if it ever got in front of a judge. It never will, even if they initiate a claim.

For now, you can try an appeal which will be rejected but it will get you a POPLA code for a secondary appeal, which has a slightly better chance of being accepted. If it isn't, don't worry.

Nobody pays EPC if they're here getting advice. The most probable outcome will be that a county court claim will eventually be issued. As long as it is defended, any old defence will do, it will eventually be discontinued.

No need to overthink this. It is a well known modus operandi of ECP and their bulk litigator DCB Legal. For now, simply appeal as the keeper with the following to ECP:

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I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, namely no "invitation", or any synonym of the word, for the keeper to pay the charge as per paragraph 9(2)(e)(i), you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn.

Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegations and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

I suggest you cancel the PCN or issue me with a POPLA code.

It won't be successful but it will get you the rejection with a POPLA code.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro Car park PCN- No lights!
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Thanks for the reply. Is there any grounds of appeal I should consider when it goes to Popla?

Re: Euro Car park PCN- No lights!
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Signage will be one - but to have any luck with that you'll need to get some more photos, showing:

  • The entrance and any associated signage
  • The layout of any signage in the car park, including images showing areas of the car park with no/poor signage
  • Images taken in similar lighting conditions to the event, showing poor illumination

The Google Street View image of the entrance (here) was taken in 2022, and the ones inside the car park were taken in 2014, so neither should be relied on without images of your own.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2024, 09:38:08 pm by DWMB2 »

Re: Euro Car park PCN- No lights!
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tHANKS ALL- THIS WAS SUCCESFUL. ECP WITHDREW AFTER REFERRING TO POPLA
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