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Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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Good afternoon

The driver received this PCN from Euro Car Parks.

The driver thought that it was a council car park as he/she works for Redbridge council and therefore thought he/she did not need to buy a ticket as they have a council permit for parking in Redbridge.

Any help on this would be appreciated.

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Hashim

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Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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@Hashim

You may want to redact the PCN number as anyone can currently appeal on your behalf.

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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You can either go through the: initial appeal, rejection, POPLA appeal, rejection, useless debt recovery letters, Letter of Claim (LoC), county court claim, defend, N180 DQ, allocation to your local county court and then either strike out or discontinuation or, skip everything and just wait for the county court claim and defend with the template defence we provide and then eventual strike out or discontinuation.

It's up to you. Either way, if you follow the advice, you won't pay a penny to ECP. If you want to follow all the intervening steps, then... There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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If the council operate the leisure centre, it would seem sensible to approach them to see if they will intervene. There's a fair chance they won't, but it costs nothing to try, and potentially saves a fair bit of faff.

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I didn't even think to look at the landowner. The car park at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is situated on land owned by the London Borough of Redbridge. The Council is a traffic authority. That is the only land-status fact that matters for the PoFA point.

Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 applies only on “relevant land”. Paragraph 3(1)(b) excludes from “relevant land” any “parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority”. A Council-owned off-street parking place is, by its nature, parking provided by a traffic authority. It follows that PoFA keeper liability cannot apply on this land.

Whether the Council has outsourced day-to-day management to a leisure operator or a parking contractor is irrelevant to this legal classification. The land does not become “private” simply because a contractor manages the bays or issues tickets.

The Department for Transport has expressly criticised attempts to treat Council off-street parking as if it were privately owned and enforced via contract. In the DfT’s words, enforcement “as if the car parks are privately owned” is wrong in principle, because the Council “retains the status of a Local Authority providing off-street parking places” and “the land remains regulated”. The DfT further states that operating outside the statutory regime “would clearly go against the will of Parliament”, and that local authorities were consciously exempted from Schedule 4.

Accordingly, Euro Car Parks cannot rely on PoFA at this location. Any Notice to Keeper that invokes PoFA, threatens keeper liability, or implies the keeper is liable under Schedule 4 is legally misconceived. The operator must pursue only the driver (if it can), and there is no lawful basis to transfer liability to the registered keeper.

I refer you to this letter from the DfT to ALL Councils/Traffic Authorities back in 2014 which I just happened to be reviewing earlier today:



Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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So, when the initial appeal I suggested is rejected, come back and we can craft a suitable POPLA appeal based on this single damning point and see whether the POPLA assessor has the intellectual capacity to understand the point.

It would be good to win one against ECP at POPLA rather than have it drag on for 9-12+ months going to the inevitable discontinuance.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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Here are two formal email complaints you should submit immediately to Redbridge and the DVLA:

Address this one to monitoring.officer@redbridge.gov.uk and CC parking.services@redbridge.gov.uk and legal.services@redbridge.gov.uk and yourself:

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Formal complaint – unlawful invocation of PoFA keeper liability on council-owned off-street parking

For the attention of the Monitoring Officer, London Borough of Redbridge

Dear Sir,

I am writing to raise a formal governance and legality complaint concerning parking enforcement at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre, Ilford.

The car park is situated on land owned by the London Borough of Redbridge. The Council is a traffic authority. The site is therefore an off-street parking place provided by a traffic authority.

Despite this, the Council has contracted Euro Car Parks Ltd to manage the car park. Euro Car Parks are issuing private Parking Charge Notices and are obtaining DVLA registered keeper data. Crucially, their Notices to Keeper explicitly invoke Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and assert statutory keeper liability.

This is legally wrong.

Schedule 4 PoFA applies only to “relevant land”. Paragraph 3(1)(b) expressly excludes “a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority”. As the land is council-owned and provided by a local authority acting as a traffic authority, it is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA. Keeper liability cannot arise in law.

The fact that the Council has outsourced day-to-day management to a contractor does not change the legal status of the land. The parking place does not become “private land” for PoFA purposes merely because enforcement has been contracted out.

The Department for Transport has expressly criticised attempts by councils to enforce off-street parking “as if privately owned”, stating that a council “retains the status of a local authority providing off-street parking places”, that “the land remains regulated”, and that operating outside the statutory regime “would clearly go against the will of Parliament”. The DfT also made clear that local authorities were consciously excluded from Schedule 4 of PoFA.

By permitting Euro Car Parks to issue Notices to Keeper asserting PoFA keeper liability on council-owned off-street parking, the Council has allowed enforcement that misstates the law, misrepresents the keeper’s liability, and facilitates the obtaining and use of DVLA keeper data on a false legal basis.

I therefore request:

1. Confirmation of the Council’s position on the legal status of the car park at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre, including whether it is accepted to be a parking place provided by a traffic authority.
2. An explanation of the legal basis on which Euro Car Parks are being permitted to invoke PoFA Schedule 4 at this site.
3. Immediate steps to require Euro Car Parks to cease asserting keeper liability under PoFA at this location.
4. Confirmation of what action the Council will take to prevent further misuse of DVLA keeper data arising from this arrangement.

This complaint is raised as a matter of statutory compliance and public law governance. I would expect a substantive response from the Monitoring Officer rather than referral back to the parking contractor.

I look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,

And for the DVLA, send the following to data.sharing@dvla.gov.uk and CC foicompliance@dvla.gov.uk and yourself:

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Formal complaint – misuse of DVLA keeper data and unlawful assertion of PoFA keeper liability (Euro Car Parks Ltd)

Dear Sir,

I am making a formal complaint regarding Euro Car Parks Ltd obtaining and using DVLA registered keeper data in circumstances where there is no lawful basis to do so.

The Parking Charge Notice and subsequent Notice to Keeper issued by Euro Car Parks Ltd relate to parking at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre, Ilford. The land on which this car park is situated is owned by the London Borough of Redbridge. The Council is a traffic authority.

As a result, the car park is a parking place provided by a traffic authority. Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 applies only on “relevant land”. Paragraph 3(1)(b) expressly excludes from relevant land any “parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority”. Accordingly, PoFA cannot apply at this location and keeper liability cannot arise in law.

Despite this, Euro Car Parks Ltd have issued a Notice to Keeper that expressly invokes Schedule 4 of PoFA, asserts that the notice is given under paragraph 9 of Schedule 4, and states that they have the right to recover the parking charge from the registered keeper. That assertion is legally false on this land.

Euro Car Parks Ltd have therefore obtained and processed my DVLA keeper data in order to pursue the registered keeper on the basis of PoFA keeper liability where PoFA is statutorily excluded. In those circumstances, “reasonable cause” for data release does not exist. The data has been used to pursue the wrong party under a misstated legal basis.

The fact that the Council has contracted out management of the car park does not alter the legal status of the land for PoFA purposes. A council-owned off-street parking place does not become “relevant land” simply because a private contractor issues Parking Charge Notices.

I ask the DVLA to:

1. Investigate Euro Car Parks Ltd’s requests for keeper data in relation to this site and the legal basis relied upon when requesting that data.
2. Confirm whether Euro Car Parks Ltd represented to the DVLA that PoFA keeper liability applied at this location.
3. Consider enforcement action or sanctions for misuse of keeper data where PoFA has been falsely invoked.
4. Confirm what steps will be taken to prevent further releases of keeper data to Euro Car Parks Ltd for this site on a false statutory premise.

I attach copies of the Notice to Keeper showing the PoFA assertions relied upon.

I expect this complaint to be treated as a formal data misuse complaint and handled accordingly.

Yours faithfully,
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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b789

I sent both emails to the relevant email addresses supplied but they all bounced back.

parking.services@redbridge.gov.uk
Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it.


legal.services@redbridge.gov.uk
Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it.


monitoring.officer@redbridge.gov.uk
Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it.


Hashim

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it. Resend with no attachments. Send the complaint text only. Do not attach images, PDFs, or screenshots. Do not embed images inline.

Add a line such as: “Copies of the Notice to Keeper and supporting evidence are available on request.”
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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b789

I did what you suggested by sending the message with no attachment, no pdf's or images but they are still bouncing back. I even tried sending them individually, just plain text..


Hashim


Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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Then try and find some alternative email address via which to reach the relevant team. Respectfully, given the driver works for the council they are probably better placed to find out/tell you how to contact the council than we are...

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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I sent a blank email to parking.services@redbridge.gov.uk with the subject line "Test".

It bounced back with

Your message to parking.services@redbridge.gov.uk couldn't be delivered.
parking.services wasn't found at redbridge.gov.uk.


More Info for Email Admins
Status code 554 5.4.14

Typically this error occurs because the recipient email address doesn't exist at the destination domain.


Are they providing duff email addresses for service?

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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They must publish a contact email address for their DPO, so check their privacy statement for those details and send to the DPO explaining that the email is served and for them to pass it to the relevant department.

It’s not our job to do everything for you. Please use some initiative and get it to the relevant department.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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Seasons Greetings.

DVLA replied:
https://ibb.co/93mLmK1q


waiting on the others..


Hashim

Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
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This DVLA response does not properly address the complaint and amounts to a fob-off.

Your complaint was not about whether a PCN exists, whether Euro Car Parks are BPA members, or whether a vehicle was parked. It was about whether DVLA lawfully released keeper data where the operator is asserting PoFA keeper liability on land that is excluded from PoFA by statute.

The response completely fails to engage with PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3. There is no consideration at all of whether the land is “relevant land”. There is no consideration of whether the parking place is provided or controlled by a traffic authority. There is no analysis of council ownership, traffic authority status, or off-street parking provision. Those are mandatory considerations, because PoFA can only apply on relevant land.

Instead, DVLA rely on generic statements about “reasonable cause” and simply repeat what Euro Car Parks have told them. That is not an assessment. DVLA are required to make their own lawful decision before releasing personal data. Accepting the operator’s assertion at face value is not sufficient, particularly where Parliament has expressly excluded local authority parking from Schedule 4.

Reasonable cause cannot exist where the stated cause relied upon by the operator is legally unavailable. Euro Car Parks are asserting statutory keeper liability under PoFA. PoFA does not apply to a parking place provided by a traffic authority. Once that statutory exclusion applies, the foundation for keeper liability collapses and DVLA data cannot lawfully be released for that purpose.

The response also mischaracterises DVLA’s role. While DVLA do not regulate parking companies generally, they do regulate their own disclosure of personal data under Regulation 27. That duty cannot be delegated to the BPA, to the operator, or avoided by saying DVLA do not regulate parking enforcement. This complaint concerns DVLA’s own statutory decision-making, not the parking company’s business model.

The response therefore demonstrates a failure to take into account relevant considerations, reliance on irrelevant considerations, and a failure to apply the correct legal test. That is maladministration.

The correct next step is a Step 2 DVLA complaint stating clearly that DVLA have failed to consider PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3(1)(b), failed to determine whether the land is relevant land, and have unlawfully relied on operator assertions rather than applying the statute. If DVLA maintain this position at Step 2, the matter should be escalated to the Independent Complaints Assessor and, in parallel, to the Information Commissioner’s Office on the basis that DVLA disclosed personal data without properly assessing lawfulness.

I advise you to submit the following Step 2 complaint in response:

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Subject: Step 2 complaint – failure to consider PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3 and unlawful release of keeper data

Dear Mrs Boucher,

This is a Step 2 escalation of my complaint concerning the DVLA’s release of registered keeper data to Euro Car Parks Ltd.

I am dissatisfied with the Step 1 response dated 22 December 2025, which fails to address the substance of the complaint and amounts to a fob-off.

My complaint was not about whether a Parking Charge Notice was issued, whether Euro Car Parks are members of an Accredited Trade Association, or whether a vehicle was parked. It was about whether DVLA lawfully released keeper data in circumstances where the operator is asserting keeper liability under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 on land where that statute is expressly excluded.

The Step 1 response does not address PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3 at all. There is no consideration of whether the land is “relevant land”. There is no consideration of whether the parking place is provided or controlled by a traffic authority. There is no analysis of council ownership, traffic authority status, or off-street parking provision. These are mandatory considerations because keeper liability under PoFA can arise only on relevant land.

Instead, the response relies on generic statements about “reasonable cause” and simply repeats assertions made by Euro Car Parks. That is not a lawful assessment. DVLA are required to make their own independent decision before releasing personal data. Accepting an operator’s assertions at face value, without applying the statutory exclusions enacted by Parliament, is a failure of that duty.

Reasonable cause cannot exist where the cause relied upon is legally unavailable. Euro Car Parks are asserting statutory keeper liability under PoFA. PoFA does not apply to a parking place provided by a traffic authority. Once paragraph 3(1)(b) applies, the statutory foundation for keeper liability falls away and DVLA data cannot lawfully be released for that purpose.

The Step 1 response also mischaracterises DVLA’s role by stating that DVLA do not regulate parking companies. That is irrelevant. This complaint concerns DVLA’s own statutory decision-making under Regulation 27 of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002 and DVLA’s obligations as a data controller. Those obligations cannot be delegated to the operator or the BPA.

The Step 1 response therefore demonstrates a failure to consider relevant matters, reliance on irrelevant matters, and a failure to apply the correct legal test. That amounts to maladministration.

I request that this Step 2 review addresses the following points directly and substantively:

1. Whether the land in question is a parking place provided or controlled by a traffic authority for the purposes of PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3(1)(b).
2. Whether PoFA keeper liability is legally capable of applying at that location.
3. On what lawful basis DVLA considered “reasonable cause” to exist for the release of keeper data where PoFA is statutorily excluded.
4. Why these matters were not considered at Step 1.

If the Step 2 response again fails to engage with the statutory exclusion in PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3, or simply repeats generic statements without applying the law, I will escalate the matter without further notice to the Independent Complaints Assessor as a case of maladministration. I will also refer the matter to the Information Commissioner’s Office in relation to unlawful disclosure of personal data, and to my Member of Parliament with a view to further escalation to the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman.

I expect a substantive Step 2 response that directly addresses the legal issues raised.

Yours sincerely,

[name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain