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Hi everyone

A family member went into a private car park but chose not to stay, leaving 3 minutes later but still getting a PCN. Looking at other threads I note that an appeal might be a waste of effort so if we intend to not pay the £60 in the next day or so is the only method available waiting for the court paperwork and following the advice on defending the claim?

If we did the latter and waited for the defend the claim option, should I appeal based on them ideally applying the 5 minute concession time (which I expect will fail) given they don't appear to have signed up to that CofP.

Any help appreciated, thank you

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Re: 3min9sec stay - I Park Services Ltd
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You need to appeal based on a minimum 5 minute consideration period which is part of the single code of practice. No contract was entered into by the driver who chose not to park.

What do you mean by “they don’t appear to have signed up”? In order to obtain the registered keeper’s details from the DVLA they need to be a member of one of the two organisations and therefore comply with the single code of practice.

Also note that they are not attempting to make the registered keeper liable, so do not identify the driver in any communication.

Re: 3min9sec stay - I Park Services Ltd
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I Park Services are IPC members and so use the 'reasonable cause' criteria to request the Keepers details from the DVLA. This is a firm of vexatious ex-clampers who will do anything to try and get you to pay them. They are easily defeated, if you follow the advice you get here.

The PCN is not for £60. It is for £100 with a 40% mugs discount so they don't have to do any work such as having to respond to your appeals etc. If the only concern is saving 40% for a speculative invoice which is for an alleged breach of contract by the driver, then just pay it and be done with it. This is how these bottom-dwelling firms operate and they have massive trough of gullible motorists to bury their greedy snouts in.

Whilst an appeal will not get this cancelled, it is not a waste of time if you consider that they now have to waste resources and money on rejecting the appeal and then being forced to pay the IAS to consider your subsequent appeal unless they concede. So, we do advise you use the appeals we give you.

There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

A three minute observation is a breach of the PPSCoP section 5.1. and therefore no contract could have been formed with the driver. A breach of the PPSCoP is also a breach of the KADOE contract and I will be reporting your firm to the DVLA.

Additionally, as there is no evidence of a "period of parking", your Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012. Therefore, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. I Park Services has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. I Park have no hope should you try to litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

When you receive the appeal rejection, you can then appeal to the IAS with the following and then come back after that is also rejected:

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA renders keeper liability unenforceable.

5. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers.” Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: 3min9sec stay - I Park Services Ltd
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When I Park reject your appeal, come back here before submitting that IAS appeal, I'll suggest some additions that put them to task on the "consideration period" argument.

If we're going to bother with the IAS, we might as well make them work and test the substantive issue.