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Re: CPM Parking Ticket within my Housing complex
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Did you use the word "fine" when corresponding with the HA or have they simply exposed their intellectual malnourishment by referring to the PCN as a "fine"?
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Re: CPM Parking Ticket within my Housing complex
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I note also that the HA in their response has managed to conflate an unrelated lease clause, appertaining to what appears to be the (landlords) right entry to the property, somehow to fit their narrative of entry of estate roads.
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Re: CPM Parking Ticket within my Housing complex
« Reply #17 on: »
Thanks Both.. Please find the letter that I had coped and sent to the Corporate Complaints team of the HA.

LAst week, when I received the response from them, I immediately sent them the following response.

Hello,

I am receipt of your response and I am disappointed that an official of your stature cannot even spell the name of a complainant correctly. Please note the points below

1.

You have inaccurately represented facts in your complaint response stating that my vehicle was parked.  I categorically deny this as already stated to Pamela, that I was loading my car for my family. I have not been furnished any evidence of being parked (entry and exit).

At the time of purchase and as per my lease agreement at the timeof purchase in April 2017 I have been advised "loading and unloading" at my front door is well within my rights and so is reflected in my lease.  You as the manager of the landlord, should access my lease from the landlord and I will not submit my full lease agreement for your benefit . A neighbouring property's lease is of no relevance or concern to me.

As per you , you are referencing the restrictions signs at the property only in 2022. - If you did your due diligence on the context and circumstances around the placement of the signs , you will realise that this was done ona "whim" of the Property manager with no consultation of NOC from the residents. This in no way alters my rights granted in the lease agreement.

If you have brought the neighbouring propertys in reference , you should also be aware that all residents on every single day bring in their vehicles for loading at the front door. None of them have been ticketed by CPM . I would like to get an explanation why selectively I have been issued a ticket.

2. I have already raised my complaint to the ombudsman ref. Case ID - XXXXXXX

3. I refused your 50 pound refund categorically , especially when I have currently served debt recovery notice of 170 pounds for the lack of accurate instructions by HA to CPM.
 

I reiterate my request again that the parking ticket should be cancelled immediately.

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Re: CPM Parking Ticket within my Housing complex
« Reply #18 on: »
If you insist on sending your own responses after receiving a response to a letter we advised sending without consulting us first, you are not helping yourself or us. Your response to the rejection of your formal complaint could have been worded much better and didn't cover all the points of failure.

What exactly have you put to the Housing Ombudsman?
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« Reply #19 on: »
OMbudsman is a template.. where in i attached the 3 documents. See below template fofrm

1. Combined document of all of 3 letters to the HA including the one that was sent by you
2. Lease clauses
3. Parking ticket and debt recovery letters

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HI,

I received my 4th Debt recovery notice today ... seems to state the deadline being 7 days now ... What should i do ? Will they now proceeed to the CCJ / Decree ? Will I get intimated before the debt collectors turn up at my door ?

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Debt collectors are powerless, and they will not be turning up at your door.

Before a claim is issued, you should get a Letter of Claim, come back when you receive one of those.

Re: CPM Parking Ticket within my Housing complex
« Reply #22 on: »
I already informed you on 25th January to ignore the debt collectors in this post: https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/cpm-parking-ticket-within-my-housing-complex/msg55014/#msg55014

I received my 4th Debt recovery notice today ... seems to state the deadline being 7 days now ... What should i do ? Will they now proceeed to the CCJ / Decree ? Will I get intimated before the debt collectors turn up at my door ?

Just so as you understand how your imagination is running wild and nothing of the sort will happen, I give you a lesson on how CCJs work and why no one will come knocking at your door:

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Why no bailiff can knock on your door

1. County Court Judgment (CCJ):

• A bailiff (enforcement agent) can only get involved after a creditor has obtained a CCJ against you in a county court.

• If the CCJ is under £600, the creditor cannot transfer it to the High Court for enforcement by a High Court Enforcement Officer (HCEO). Instead, enforcement would remain under the county court's jurisdiction.

2. Threshold for High Court Enforcement:

• If a CCJ is over £600 (including fees and interest), the creditor can transfer it to the High Court for enforcement by an HCEO. This is a common method because HCEOs tend to be more effective at recovering money.

3. Cost-Benefit Analysis for Creditors:

• For CCJs under £600, creditors may find it uneconomical to pursue enforcement through county court bailiffs, as they are generally slower and less effective than HCEOs.

• As a result, creditors may opt not to escalate enforcement for small amounts.

4. Private Parking Charges and Bailiffs:

• In the context of private parking charges, no bailiff action can occur unless the parking operator has gone to court, won a case, obtained a CCJ, and you fail to pay the judgment within the stipulated time (usually 30 days).

So, no bailiff will come to your door for a debt under £600 unless the creditor deems it worth pursuing through county court enforcement. However, even if the debt is over £600, bailiff involvement only happens after a CCJ is issued, and enforcement is transferred to the High Court.
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Re: CPM Parking Ticket within my Housing complex
« Reply #23 on: »
After a good 7 months no comms, I have received another legal letter from CPM s BWLEGAL. Kindly let me know what should be my course of action (ignore or some step).
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Re: CPM Parking Ticket within my Housing complex
« Reply #24 on: »
That’s just a useless debt recovery letters which. Come back when they issue a Letter of Claim (LoC).
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: CPM Parking Ticket within my Housing complex
« Reply #25 on: »
Hello,  Today I have received the letter or claim , which I am attaching here. Slightly worried, but based on your past comments, I am hoping we can respond ... Kindly help. Letter of Claim
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Re: CPM Parking Ticket within my Housing complex
« Reply #26 on: »
Respond with the following:

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Subject: Response to your Letter of Claim – Ref: [BW Legal ref], UK Car Park Management Ltd

Dear Sirs,

Liability denied – residential primacy of contract
I am the long-leaseholder at the gated development where the alleged event occurred. My lease grants vehicular rights over the estate roads for all purposes connected with the use and enjoyment of my property. Any later parking scheme or signage introduced by your client’s principal (the Housing Association, who is also landlord/freeholder) cannot override my superior leasehold rights absent a lawful variation/consent. Accordingly, no debt is owed.

Your Letter of Claim contains bare particulars and encloses no evidence. It is not compliant with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (“PAPDC”) paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2, nor with PD–Pre-Action Conduct (“PD-PAC”) 6(a) and 6(c), which require you to supply sufficient information and the key documents before litigation is considered.

You allege a breach based on newly installed signs restricting vehicle access “beyond the tarred roads”. Those signs were introduced to deter third-party vehicles (couriers/deliveries), not residents, and are prohibitive in nature (no contractual offer/consideration). The claim is misconceived in a residential context and, further, any temporary stopping for access/loading/unloading is not “parking” (see Jopson v Homeguard).

Documents required (PD-PAC 6(a), 6(c); PAPDC 3 & 5)
Provide the following so that I can take advice and respond formally within 30 days of a Protocol-compliant pack:
1. The full notice chain: any Notice to Driver, the Notice to Keeper, reminders, and proof of posting/serving. Confirm whether you rely on PoFA Sch.4 and identify where each para 9(2) requirement is met.
2. All contemporaneous evidence of the alleged event: time-stamped photographs/video of the vehicle and its exact position; patrol operative notes; handheld terminal logs; copy/photograph of any windscreen PCN.
3. An actual photograph of every sign in situ on the material date (not library artwork), legible in all parts, together with a to-scale site plan showing the location of each sign and the alleged location of the vehicle, and the signage audit/installation record confirming the “new” signs’ commissioning date.
4. The exact term(s) alleged to form a contract with a resident driver, and the clause(s) allegedly breached. For any prohibitive wording (e.g. “No parking/No access beyond…”), explain the asserted contractual basis as opposed to trespass.
5. The written, unredacted landowner/freeholder contract (or principal-agent agreement) in force on the material date granting UK Car Park Management Ltd authority to operate, issue PCNs and litigate at this development, including schedules/site plan.
6. Any document by which the landlord purported to impose/introduce this parking regime on leaseholders (e.g. deed of variation/consent, ballot/consultation under the Landlord and Tenant Act 1987 s.37, or other lawful mechanism) and any subsequent estate regulations said to bind me.
7. A detailed quantum breakdown: identify the legal basis of the £170 principal (consideration or damages), and whether any “debt recovery” element is included and, if so, whether VAT is charged and to whom it is accounted.

Housing Association’s role
Your client acts as the Housing Association’s agent. The HA will be joined as a co-defendant if proceedings are issued. I reserve the right to counterclaim for data misuse and interference with leasehold rights.

Process
Until you provide the above documents, meaningful engagement is impossible. Issuing a claim now would be premature and a waste of court time. Should you do so, I will seek case-management relief under PD-PAC 15(b), including an order compelling disclosure and appropriate costs sanctions.

I will not use any web portal. Correspondence by email or post only.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]

[Postal address]
[Email]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: CPM Parking Ticket within my Housing complex
« Reply #27 on: »
MANY THHANKS FOR THIS ... i tried sending a response. the only mode of response / contact was via their web portal . there was a word limit on the form and the document upload failed... i managed to get to their chat link and sent them the document. i have the chat transcript confirming that they have received the document. I hope this would work ... right ?
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