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Civil Enforcement (Permit holders only) NTK
« on: April 11, 2025, 12:57:00 pm »
Civil Enforcement, NTK received on 09/04/25. Vehicle is registered in name of limited company.
The driver was using a permit holders car park whilst staying in an Air B&B at the address. The instructions given were to photograph the reg plate and send it via text. An acknowledgement was then received as attached.
It now appears that the permit is only valid for the day of the stay and expires at 23.59.
The driver was not made aware that this was the case or that they would need to gain an additional permit for 28/03/25. They stayed 3 nights and obtained 3 permits.

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« Last Edit: April 11, 2025, 12:59:09 pm by Foxy01 »

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Re: Civil Enforcement (Permit holders only) NTK
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2025, 02:28:35 pm »
Do you have permits that cover the duration of the stay? The text clearly states that the exemption is only valid to 23:59.

What does the owner the of Air B&B say about it when you complained? What were the instructions regarding parking that were given to you when you agreed to rent the Air B&B? Your Plan A is to get the owner to cancel the PCN. Threaten lots of negative reviews if they fail to do so.

What to the signs say at the location where the vehicle was parked? Do they clearly state about the midnight limit for permits? Do the signs make any mention of the extra £70 CEL is threatening to charge you?

The NtK is PoFA compliant. The only deficiencies I can see are breaches of the PPSCoP which you could argue at POPLA invalidate the PCN.

As any initial appeal is going to be rejected, if PlAN A does not work by Tuesday 6th May, appeal to CEL tithe following:

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I am appealing as the Registered Keeper.

The driver was staying at the address as a guest and followed the host’s instructions to register the vehicle by text. A confirmation was received, and no expiry time was mentioned. The driver reasonably believed the permit covered the full stay. If there was a restriction ending at 23:59, this was not disclosed and cannot be enforced.

Additionally, the Notice to Keeper misrepresents liability because it states an incorrect appeal deadline, contrary to the Code’s requirement to allow 28 days from date of receipt, not date of issue.

CEL have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

[Name]
[For and on behalf of: Company Name]
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Re: Civil Enforcement (Permit holders only) NTK
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2025, 09:32:13 am »
Air B&B have been contacted. As the company are not based in that area getting pictures of the signs will be difficult. The driver says that they were only told to submit the picture of the registration each day.
Not taking away from what b789 has said, is there an argument in the fact that the notice says the incident was on the 27th March and that there was in fact a permit in place on that day until 23.59 as per the screenshot?

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Re: Civil Enforcement (Permit holders only) NTK
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2025, 01:20:20 pm »
Yes, that is a strong factual argument. If the permit for 27 March 2025 was valid until 23:59, and a separate permit was needed for 28 March (which, based on your notes, was not obtained), then any alleged breach could only have occurred after midnight — i.e. on 28 March, not the 27th.

By stating the "incident date" as 27 March 2025, CEL creates a procedural discrepancy:

• The period of authorised parking (with the 27th permit) runs to 23:59 on 27 March, and therefore the first 5+ hours of the recorded period (17:57–23:59) were clearly covered.
• Any overstay, if one occurred, would have been on 28 March, for which (as noted) a separate permit was not in place.

Thus, the “incident date” of 27 March 2025 is inaccurate and misleading, since no unauthorised parking took place on that date. PoFA Schedule 4 requires the date and period of parking to be specified with clarity.


Amend the suggested appeal to:

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I am appealing as the Registered Keeper of the vehicle.

The driver was staying at the property and followed the host’s instructions to text the registration to a designated number. A confirmation was received for each day of the stay, including 27 March 2025. The permit for that date was valid until 23:59.

Your notice alleges an “incident date” of 27 March 2025, but your own evidence shows that any unauthorised parking could only have occurred after midnight, on 28 March — a date for which the driver was not informed that a separate permit would be required. No breach occurred on the date stated.

Furthermore, the NtK misrepresents the keeper’s potential liability by threatening £70 in recovery fees, in breach of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice. It also shortens the appeal deadline contrary to paragraph 9.4 of the Code.

CEL have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

[Name] 
[For and on behalf of: Company Name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Re: Civil Enforcement (Permit holders only) NTK
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2025, 08:45:57 pm »

Amend the suggested appeal to:

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It also shortens the appeal deadline contrary to paragraph 9.4 of the Code.


I believe this is correctly stated on the rear side of the postal PCN?
I'm speculating, having seen other CEL postal PCN's.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2025, 08:47:57 pm by Charitynjw »

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Re: Civil Enforcement (Permit holders only) NTK
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2025, 11:21:12 am »
It is not enough for the correct PoFA wording to appear somewhere on the Notice to Keeper (NtK). The issue is not simply whether the statutory wording is included — it’s about whether the notice conveys a clear, unambiguous and consistent instruction to the recipient regarding their liability and the statutory time limits under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).

Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(f) of PoFA requires the NtK to “state that the keeper is required to pay the parking charge in full within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given.

If the front of the NtK incorrectly demands payment within 28 days of the date of issue, that misstates the legal time period by at least two days. The "date of issue" and the date the notice is deemed "given" are not the same in law. According to Paragraph 9(6), a notice sent by post is considered “given” two working days after posting, not on the day it was issued.

This kind of contradiction is not a harmless oversight. It creates a clear conflict between:

a false, immediate deadline on the front (designed to provoke early payment), and
the statutory timeframe tucked away elsewhere.

This fails the statutory test. The law does not say the correct words must appear “somewhere” — it says the notice must specify them. That means the entire notice must be read as a consistent, compliant document. A conflicting statement on the front renders the notice incoherent, and therefore non-compliant.

It’s a basic principle of consumer protection law that a notice must be clear, accurate and unambiguous. This is echoed in:

Schedule 4 of PoFA itself,
The Private Parking Code of Practice (PPSCoP) – which requires clear communication of obligations, and
• Contract law in general, where ambiguity is construed against the party drafting the notice (the parking firm).

Therefore, it is legally irrelevant that the correct wording may appear on the reverse if the front of the NtK undermines or misstates it. The keeper cannot be expected to resolve contradictions, and the operator must bear the burden of any resulting uncertainty.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Re: Civil Enforcement (Permit holders only) NTK
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2025, 02:45:55 pm »

Amend the suggested appeal to:

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It also shortens the appeal deadline contrary to paragraph 9.4 of the Code.


I believe this is correctly stated on the rear side of the postal PCN?
I'm speculating, having seen other CEL postal PCN's.

It is not enough for the correct PoFA wording to appear somewhere on the Notice to Keeper (NtK). The issue is not simply whether the statutory wording is included — it’s about whether the notice conveys a clear, unambiguous and consistent instruction to the recipient regarding their liability and the statutory time limits under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).

Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(f) of PoFA requires the NtK to “state that the keeper is required to pay the parking charge in full within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the notice is given.

If the front of the NtK incorrectly demands payment within 28 days of the date of issue, that misstates the legal time period by at least two days. The "date of issue" and the date the notice is deemed "given" are not the same in law. According to Paragraph 9(6), a notice sent by post is considered “given” two working days after posting, not on the day it was issued.

This kind of contradiction is not a harmless oversight. It creates a clear conflict between:

a false, immediate deadline on the front (designed to provoke early payment), and
the statutory timeframe tucked away elsewhere.

This fails the statutory test. The law does not say the correct words must appear “somewhere” — it says the notice must specify them. That means the entire notice must be read as a consistent, compliant document. A conflicting statement on the front renders the notice incoherent, and therefore non-compliant.

It’s a basic principle of consumer protection law that a notice must be clear, accurate and unambiguous. This is echoed in:

Schedule 4 of PoFA itself,
The Private Parking Code of Practice (PPSCoP) – which requires clear communication of obligations, and
• Contract law in general, where ambiguity is construed against the party drafting the notice (the parking firm).

Therefore, it is legally irrelevant that the correct wording may appear on the reverse if the front of the NtK undermines or misstates it. The keeper cannot be expected to resolve contradictions, and the operator must bear the burden of any resulting uncertainty.

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Excellent.  :)
« Last Edit: April 16, 2025, 02:49:07 pm by Charitynjw »