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Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
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I received an email:

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Dear
By email only:   -
Re: CLAIM NO:   Civil Enforcement Limited v   Our ref: I
WITHOUT PREJUDICE SAVE AS TO COSTS
We refer to your application to set aside judgment which has been forwarded to us by Croydon County Court.
It is our position that your application to set aside judgment will be refused. Even if the application is granted, we will proceed with the claim against you.
However, bearing in mind this process can take time and will incur unnecessary costs for both parties, we will consent to setting aside the judgment (to remove it from your record) and to discontinue the claim against you if you agree to pay the original £100.00 parking charge plus the administration costs and fees we have incurred in trying to recover payment of the PCN, limited to £35.00, making a total of £135.00. Each party will bear its own costs of this application. We would have made a similar offer to you had you contacted us prior to lodging your application with the Court.
Please confirm in writing by 04104/2025 that you agree to accept this offer. If the offer is not accepted, we reserve the right to show this letter to the judge on the issue of who should pay the costs of your application.
You can make the payment of £135 on www.ce-service.co.uk.
Yours faithfully,
Legal Team
For and on behalf of
Civil Enforcement Limited

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Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
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Nothing to worry about. Typical of a claimant that is now panicking and realises they have nowhere to run.

Your case is very strong.Their letter is marked "Without Prejudice Save as to Costs". This protects the contents from being shown to the judge when determining liability, unless and until the court is considering the question of costs after the outcome has been decided.

Therefore, the letter cannot lawfully be used to influence the judge's decision on whether to set aside judgment or strike out the claim.

They can try to show it at the end, only if the judge reaches a point of deciding who should bear costs — but this cuts both ways. You can point to your earlier offer and their refusal to engage before the application was filed, which makes their conduct worse.

A draft consent order is not binding unless both parties sign it and it is approved by the court. If they try to submit the draft order alone, implying agreement when you haven’t consented, that would be misleading the court — potentially amounting to abuse of process or even professional misconduct if done deliberately.

CEL’s claim in their “without prejudice save as to costs” letter — that they “would have made a similar offer had you contacted us prior to lodging your application” — is plainly false. You not only contacted them in advance, but you also provided detailed legal reasoning, gave them a clear and fair deadline, offered a cooperative solution (joint application) and deferred unilateral action to allow them time to respond.

This amounts to a reasonable and constructive pre-action offer in line with both CPR 1.1 (overriding objective) and CPR 44.2 (costs discretion).

I suggest you send a Supplemental Witness Statement (SWS)ogether with two additional exhibits, your original letter to CEL offering an uncontested set aside and their electronic receipt of that letter having been sent. Additionally, you can send CEL an SAR requiring them to provide copies of every piece of data that they hold on you. It will be interesting to see if they include anything that references that electronic receipt.

You should send the SWS

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



SUPPLEMENTAL WITNESS STATEMENT

I, [Defendant’s Full Name], of [full address], make this supplemental statement in support of my application to set aside the default judgment entered on 15th June 2021 and to strike out the claim.

I make this statement in response to recent correspondence received from the Claimant, and to clarify the position regarding my efforts to resolve this matter prior to issuing my application.

Clarification Regarding Pre-Application Conduct

1. I have received a letter from the Claimant marked “Without Prejudice Save as to Costs”. I do not intend to rely upon the contents of that letter at this stage and understand that such correspondence is inadmissible until and unless the Court considers the issue of costs. However, I consider it necessary to clarify the factual record regarding my own pre-application conduct.

2. On 2nd November 2024, I submitted a detailed and reasoned letter to the Claimant via their online contact portal. In that letter, I proposed a joint application to set aside the default judgment and dismiss the claim, suggesting that the Claimant bear the application fee and that there be no order as to costs. A copy of that letter is attached as Exhibit XX-09.

3. I invited a response by 4 pm on 13th November 2024 and stated clearly that I would defer submitting a unilateral application until that deadline had passed. Despite this, the Claimant did not reply or acknowledge my proposal. I therefore proceeded to issue the application unilaterally, at my own expense.

4. I also attach as Exhibit XX-10 a copy of the automated receipt generated by the Claimant’s system confirming receipt of my correspondence on 2nd November 2024, under reference CELC_20241102_MB_933. The receipt stated that I would receive an acknowledgement and a substantive response within 28 days. I did not receive either.

5.  I provide this information solely to assist the Court in understanding the full background to the application and to demonstrate that I took all reasonable steps to resolve the matter cooperatively prior to engaging the Court. I reserve the right to refer to any further correspondence if and when the Court considers the issue of costs.

Relevance to Application

6. The Claimant’s failure to respond to my open and constructive approach resulted in unnecessary proceedings and expense. This is particularly significant given that I made clear the procedural errors in the Claimant’s service of the claim and the prejudice I had suffered as a result.

7. I respectfully submit that my conduct was entirely reasonable and consistent with the overriding objective. The Claimant’s failure to engage with my open offer and their subsequent conduct support the view that their behaviour has been unreasonable.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Supplemental Witness Statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



INDEX OF DOCUMENTS

1. Supplemental Witness Statement of [Your Full Name]

2. List of Additional Exhibits:

Exhibit XX-09: Letter from Defendant to Claimant dated 2nd November 2024
[Insert your full letter beginning “URGENT – Dear Sirs...”]

Exhibit XX-10: Submission Receipt
[Insert the screenshot receipt or the wording from it here: “Thank you for contacting us. Your reference number is CELC_20241102_MB_933 for all correspondence. Please note we will respond to your complaint within 28 days. You will also receive an email acknowledgement with this reference on. If you do not receive one shortly, please check your email junk folder and/or ensure you supplied the correct email address.”
— Civil Enforcement Ltd online contact form, 2nd November 2024]

Each exhibit should have its own header as per all these pages and the title "Exhibit XX-NN". For example:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



EXHIBIT XX-09

Letter from Defendant to Claimant (2nd November 2024)

This letter was submitted as a PDF attachment on the Claimants website: https://www.ce-service.co.uk/submit-a-complaint/



URGENT

Dear Sirs,

CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LIMITED (THE ‘CLAIMANT’)  V [your full name] CLAIM REFERENCE H3GM80Q8

On 24th October 2024, I received the attached letter dated 13th October 2024 from yourselves. This came as a tremendous shock as it is the first and only communication I have received from your company or any organisation representing you in relation to this claim. 

I made immediate enquiries of the CNBC from which I was able to establish that:

1. the claim relates to an alleged parking event in March 2019;
2. the claim form was sent to an old address at which I no longer reside; and
3. if I had been given the opportunity to do so, I would have successfully defended the claim.

I did not receive any pre-claim correspondence, not even a letter of claim as required by the PAP. Nor did I receive the claim form or any particulars of claim and was thus deprived of the ability to defend the claim. Your company is well aware that people move home from time to time. You also know that I did not respond to any communications sent to me at my old address.

This situation is explicitly dealt with in the Civil Procedure Rules which provide at CPR 6.9(3):

(3) Where a claimant has reason to believe that the address of the defendant ... is an address at which the defendant no longer resides or carries on business, the claimant must take reasonable steps to ascertain the address of the defendant’s current residence or place of business (‘current address’).

As your company is a member of the British Parking Association (the ‘BPA’) and is bound by the BPA’s Code of Practice which gives voice to CPR 6.9(3) in the following terms:

24.1c Before serving a Letter Before Claim and prior to the issue of proceedings, Operators must, if no responses have been received to the NtD/NtK/reminder letters, take reasonable endeavours to ensure that the contact details for the person you are writing to are correct.

If your company had taken the actions required by the Civil Procedure Rules and the Code of Practice, my current address would have been found easily, which is obviously what you did before sending your letter dated 13th October 2024. If those actions had been performed at the correct time rather than after judgment, I would not have been deprived of the ability to defend the claim.

By reason of Civil Enforcement's breach of the Civil Procedure Rules, which amounts to an abuse of the process of the Court, the claim form was never properly served and the judgment must be set aside at your expense and the claim dismissed because it is now too late for the particulars of claim to be re-served.

In view of the foregoing, I invite Civil Enforcement Ltd to join with me in an application to set aside the judgment and dismiss the claim, with Civil Enforcement Ltd paying the court fee and no order as to costs.

Please respond to the above offer as soon as possible so that, if the offer is acceptable to you, we can work together to right the wrong that Civil Enforcement has done to me.

To give you a reasonable time to take instructions and for us to agree a suite of documents for the Court, I am willing to defer making a unilateral application to set aside the judgment until 4 pm on Wednesday 13th November 2024. If a joint application has not been made by that time, I intend to instruct a solicitor to apply to the Court unilaterally for an order setting the judgment aside, striking out the particulars of claim, dismissing the claim and awarding costs against Civil Enforcement Ltd on a full indemnity basis.

Pease respond by immediate return.

Yours faithfully,

And also the receipt:

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IN THE COUNTY COURT AT CROYDON
Claim No: H3GM808Q

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



EXHIBIT XX-10

Submission Receipt from Civil Enforcement Ltd



You send the SWS and extra exhibits as a PDF attachment in a single email addressed to: enquiries.croydon.countycourt@justice.gov.uk and legal@ce-service.co.uk and you also CC in yourself.

Make sure the email subject contains the clam number and in the body write something along these lines:

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“Please find enclosed the Defendant’s Supplemental Witness Statement dated [insert date], filed in support of the set-aside application. This statement addresses new developments and provides additional evidence relating to the Claimant’s conduct and the Defendant’s pre-application correspondence.”

You should combine all the pages into a single PDF with each page numbered. When this goes to the hearing, you should prepare a single PDF document with the WS, exhibits, draft order for the set aside, SWS and additional exhibits, each page numbered. Take two hard copies of each with you. I tis not unusual for the claimants rep to feign that they haven't received all the paperwork. You can impress the judge by having available extra copies for both the court and the claimant.
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Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
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Send a Subject Access Request (SAR) to Civil Enforcement. Send it in an email to: dataprotectionofficer@ce-service.co.uk and CC in yourself

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[DATE of submission]

Dear Sir/Madam,

RE: SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST

I write to make a formal Subject Access Request in respect of my personal information. I am entitled to make this request under data protection laws. The request is made in accordance with section 45 of the Data Protection Act 2018 and Article 15 of the retained EU General Data Protection Regulation 2016/679 (UK GDPR). You can identify my records using the information which is listed below.

Requester (data subject) information

(a). Full name:
(b). Address:
(c). Email address:
(d). Telephone number:
(e). PCN number:
(f). VRM:

Requested information

In accordance with my right of access under data protection law, I request the following:

(a) Copies of my personal data

I request that I am provided with full copies of all personal data relating to me which is held by CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LTD.

I would prefer to receive an electronic copy of the requested information.

(b) Purpose of the processing

Please confirm within your response the purpose (or purposes) for which my personal data was collected by [Operator name] in the first instance and the purpose (or purposes) for which is has been used by CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LTD to date.

(c) Categories of the data

Please confirm within your response which categories of my personal data have been collected by CIVIL ENFORCEMENT LTD.

(d) Sharing of the data

Please confirm within your response which recipients my personal data has or will be disclosed to. Please also confirm whether my data will be shared outside of the United Kingdom and if so, what safeguards are in place in relation to this.

(e) Storage of the data

Please confirm within your response the retention periods for the storage of my personal data. If you are unable to confirm a specific retention period, please confirm what criteria will be used to determine this.

(f) Source of the data

Please confirm within your response which sources my personal data is collected from.

(g) Details about automated decision-making

Please confirm within your response whether any automated decision-making which uses my personal data is taking place or will take place. If this is the case, I ask that you please provide me with information about the logic involved in any such process and the relevant consequences the decision-making will have upon me.

(h). Existence of my rights

Please acknowledge and confirm within your response my right to request the rectification or erasure of my personal data and the right to object to or request a restriction the processing which is taking place.

Responding to my request

The above contains all necessary information in order for you to process my request and any delay by yourselves will not absolve you from providing me with the information within one calendar month of the date above as this is being sent to you as an attachment by email.

I believe that the information which has been requested should be readily available to you.

This request should not therefore fall within the legal definition of an excessive or manifestly unfounded request and should not attract any processing fee.

I would be grateful for your assistance in processing my request within the required one month period of your receipt.

Yours faithfully,

[your full name]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
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New hearing date

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Have you not had a response to your SAR? They were bound to provide the information no later than 30 days after you sent it.

When you sent the SAR, presumably by email to their DPO, did you also CC yourself? If so, you should have a copy of the email you sent in your in box which is evidence that the email was sent as it will also show the DPO email address.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Nope. unfortunately I haven’t got a response to the SAR. Yes I sent CC to myself as you advised. I have check all the emails and nothing. I sent it on the 1/4/25

Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
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Chase them

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thanks, i chase them...


Dear Sir/Madam,



I am writing to follow up on the Subject Access Request (SAR) I submitted to you on 1st April 2025, under Article 15 of the UK GDPR and section 45 of the Data Protection Act 2018.



Under data protection law, you are required to respond to SARs without undue delay and, in any case, within one calendar month of receipt. As of today, over 50 days have passed, and I have not received a response or any indication of an extension being applied under Article 12(3) of the UK GDPR.



I therefore formally request that you respond immediately, as your organisation is now in clear breach of its legal obligations under UK data protection law.



If I do not receive a full and adequate response within 7 days, I will have no choice but to escalate this matter to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) for further investigation.



Please treat this matter with urgency and ensure that my rights under data protection law are respected.



Yours faithfully


[ full name]

Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
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Tomorrow is the hearing and I don't know what to do or say


Please HELP

Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
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Got an email this afternoon including a 55 pages pdf 

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Tomorrow is the hearing and I don't know what to do or say

Please HELP

Don't panic. Here is a short video of what to expect and I doubt that they will even send a representative to the hearing:

https://youtu.be/n93eoaxhzpU?feature=shared

Make sure you take all your evidence and copies of the paperwork you've already received and sent, including your WS and any supplemental statements and draft order. Take two extra copies of each item as there is a remote chance that some of the paperwork may not have been received or has been mislaid. So, a copy for yourself, one for the judge and one for the claimants representative, if there is on.

Make sure you understand everything you have put in your application of the set aside and why the claim should be struck out after the set aside.

Make sure you get to the court early as you will have to go through security and once inside, you can let the usher know you are there. It's a great learning experience and we'd appreciate any feedback you can give about your experience. Try and remember the judges name for us and anything mentioned.

Just remember, read through this thread and understand what tis process is all about and what you are asking the judge to consider in your case. The judge will lead you through the process and knows you are a layperson with no legal training. If asked about your submissions, you can say the you have received advice from the internet specific to your case. I tis perfectly acceptable.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
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Got an email this afternoon including a 55 pages pdf

@concoj,how about hosing the pdf on DropBox or Google Drive so that we can have a look and tell you anything about it.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Civil Enfocement letter Aka: ce-sevice.co.uk
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is on google drive

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If you're referring to the link you PM'd me, I don't conduct advice by PM and anyway, the link required me to ask permission for access.

Just post the link here and make it publicly accessible. Just make sure that anything in the linked file is suitably redacted of your personal info.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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You need to redact your personal information!!!!!!
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain