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Morning all,

I received a ticket for my car parked in a private car park, the driver wasnt me, it was a friend who didnt put in the number plate at the venue.

I have submitted an appeal stating the following:

I am appealing as the keeper and ONLY Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 can cause a keeper appellant to be deemed to be the liable party. You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to give notice of keeper liability as prescribed by section 9 (2) (f) of the Act. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

 

There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

They have come back stating the below.

Can anyone advise me further? Thanks.

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We'll need to see the original notice.

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Show us the Notice to Keeper (NtK). Simply appealing that the PCN is not PoFA compliant without stating why is never going help.

As long as the drivers identity is not revealed, at least at this stage, is the correct course of action as there could be a technical failure to fully comply with all the requirements of PoFA in the NtK, but we won't know util we've seen it. Make sure that ALL dates, times and location are visible.
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OK. So Britannia is relying on PoFA in their NtK to be able to hold the Keeper liable for the charge should the driver not be identified.

As you have seen, in their response, they have stated that they require the drivers details otherwise they will hold you, the Keeper liable for the charge. However, there is a technical failure in their NtK that means that it is not fully compliant with ALL the requirements of PoFA, meaning that they can't hold you, the Keeper, liable.

Unless you or anyone else can find it, there is no "invitation", not any synonym of the word, for the Keeper to pay the charge. PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) specifically states that the NtK MUST invite the Keeper to pay the charge.

Under PoFA, in order to hold the registered keeper of a vehicle liable for a parking charge, the NtK MUST meet specific legal requirements. One of the key requirements is that the NtK must include an explicit "invitation" to the keeper to either pay the charge or, if they were not the driver, provide the name and address of the driver.

Simply stating in the NtK that the parking charge must be paid is not sufficient. The wording must provide the keeper with a clear choice: either pay the charge or provide the driver’s details. This is important because PoFA is designed to protect keepers who were not the driver or the driver has not been disclosed, and this invitation is a mandatory step for transferring liability from the driver to the keeper.

In your case, the NtK fails to provide this explicit invitation. Instead of inviting you, the keeper, to pay the charge or provide the driver’s details, it simply demands payment. This does not comply with PoFA, because a demand for payment assumes keeper liability, which cannot apply unless all legal steps have been followed, including this invitation.

It's important to understand that partial or even substantial compliance with PoFA is insufficient. If any of the required elements are missing or incorrectly presented, Britannia cannot hold the keeper liable for the charge.

Therefore, you should not reveal the identity of the driver. By doing so, Britannia would then be able to pursue the driver directly, removing the protection PoFA offers you as the keeper.

While Britannia is likely to reject your initial appeal, you can then escalate the matter to POPLA. POPLA is required to follow the law, and you should point out that the NtK does not comply with PoFA because it fails to include the explicit invitation required by Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). POPLA should then uphold your appeal and cancel the parking charge.

However, if the POPLA assessor fails to agree with this point, remember that the county court is the ultimate dispute resolution service. Only a judge can decide whether you owe the operator a debt, and non-compliance with PoFA is a strong legal defence. Should the matter ever escalate to a court claim that is not discontinued or struck out, a judge will carefully consider whether the NtK meets the requirements of PoFA, and non-compliance will likely lead to the claim being dismissed.
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OK. So Britannia is relying on PoFA in their NtK to be able to hold the Keeper liable for the charge should the driver not be identified.

As you have seen, in their response, they have stated that they require the drivers details otherwise they will hold you, the Keeper liable for the charge. However, there is a technical failure in their NtK that means that it is not fully compliant with ALL the requirements of PoFA, meaning that they can't hold you, the Keeper, liable.

Unless you or anyone else can find it, there is no "invitation", not any synonym of the word, for the Keeper to pay the charge. PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) specifically states that the NtK MUST invite the Keeper to pay the charge.

Under PoFA, in order to hold the registered keeper of a vehicle liable for a parking charge, the NtK MUST meet specific legal requirements. One of the key requirements is that the NtK must include an explicit "invitation" to the keeper to either pay the charge or, if they were not the driver, provide the name and address of the driver.

Simply stating in the NtK that the parking charge must be paid is not sufficient. The wording must provide the keeper with a clear choice: either pay the charge or provide the driver’s details. This is important because PoFA is designed to protect keepers who were not the driver or the driver has not been disclosed, and this invitation is a mandatory step for transferring liability from the driver to the keeper.

In your case, the NtK fails to provide this explicit invitation. Instead of inviting you, the keeper, to pay the charge or provide the driver’s details, it simply demands payment. This does not comply with PoFA, because a demand for payment assumes keeper liability, which cannot apply unless all legal steps have been followed, including this invitation.

It's important to understand that partial or even substantial compliance with PoFA is insufficient. If any of the required elements are missing or incorrectly presented, Britannia cannot hold the keeper liable for the charge.

Therefore, you should not reveal the identity of the driver. By doing so, Britannia would then be able to pursue the driver directly, removing the protection PoFA offers you as the keeper.

While Britannia is likely to reject your initial appeal, you can then escalate the matter to POPLA. POPLA is required to follow the law, and you should point out that the NtK does not comply with PoFA because it fails to include the explicit invitation required by Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). POPLA should then uphold your appeal and cancel the parking charge.

However, if the POPLA assessor fails to agree with this point, remember that the county court is the ultimate dispute resolution service. Only a judge can decide whether you owe the operator a debt, and non-compliance with PoFA is a strong legal defence. Should the matter ever escalate to a court claim that is not discontinued or struck out, a judge will carefully consider whether the NtK meets the requirements of PoFA, and non-compliance will likely lead to the claim being dismissed.

Thanks very much for this information, i will reply with the above, will update you on how it goes.

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You may want to show us exactly what you intend to put in your appeal before you submit anything. Better to have it critiqued rather than piling in with possible errors.
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You may want to show us exactly what you intend to put in your appeal before you submit anything. Better to have it critiqued rather than piling in with possible errors.

Will do, ill post it shorlty.

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You may want to show us exactly what you intend to put in your appeal before you submit anything. Better to have it critiqued rather than piling in with possible errors.

Draft response below:

Dear Sirs,

In response to your last letter regarding NPC 13440136, you have stated that you require the drivers details otherwise you will hold the keeper liable however your Notice to Keeper (NTK) does not state or invite the Keeper to pay the charge.
PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) statins that the NTK must invite the Keeper to pay the charge.

Under PoFA, in order to hold the registered keeper of a vehicle liable for a parking charge, the NtK MUST meet specific legal requirements. One of the key requirements is that the NtK must include an explicit "invitation" to the keeper to either pay the charge or, if they were not the driver, provide the name and address of the driver.

The NtK fails to provide this explicit invitation and therefore you are unable to hold the keeper liable for the charge.

I do not expect to hear from you again, or your debt collectors, except to confirm that no further action will be taken on this matter and my person details have been removed from your records.

Yours faithfully



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Maybe expand slightly with something such as this:

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Dear Sirs,

Re: Parking Charge Notice (PCN) 13440136

I am writing in response to your recent letter, in which you indicated that you would hold the registered keeper liable unless the driver’s details are provided. However, your Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with ALL the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).

While your NtK contains a request for the driver's details if the keeper was not driving, which I wasn't, it does not include the mandatory "invitation" for the keeper to pay the parking charge, as required under PoFA Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i).

It is important to note that partial, or even substantial compliance with PoFA is not sufficient. The NtK must comply fully with ALL the requirements of PoFA if you intend to hold the registered keeper liable. Since your NtK fails to meet ALL these requirements, you cannot transfer liability for this charge to the keeper.

You have no hope of success at POPLA, and I suggest you save us all a waste of time and effort by cancelling this PCN now or issuing a POPLA code so that I can escalate the appeal.

Yours faithfully,
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain
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Maybe expand slightly with something such as this:

Quote
Dear Sirs,

Re: Parking Charge Notice (PCN) 13440136

I am writing in response to your recent letter, in which you indicated that you would hold the registered keeper liable unless the driver’s details are provided. However, your Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with ALL the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA).

While your NtK contains a request for the driver's details if the keeper was not driving, which I wasn't, it does not include the mandatory "invitation" for the keeper to pay the parking charge, as required under PoFA Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i).

It is important to note that partial, or even substantial compliance with PoFA is not sufficient. The NtK must comply fully with ALL the requirements of PoFA if you intend to hold the registered keeper liable. Since your NtK fails to meet ALL these requirements, you cannot transfer liability for this charge to the keeper.

You have no hope of success at POPLA, and I suggest you save us all a waste of time and effort by cancelling this PCN now or issuing a POPLA code so that I can escalate the appeal.

Yours faithfully,

Thanks, will let you know how it goes.

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Just wanted to update this by saying i replied to them with the above and have had no response from them.

So i guess it worked, thanks for your advice  :)

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So i guess it worked
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