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Hi everyone,

My dad recently received a penalty fine from Parking Eye for parking in Aldi. However, he was not the driver – my mum was driving the car at the time.

It was a new vehicle, and my mum didn’t know the number plate by heart. To make sure she got it right, she took a photo of the plate on her phone. Unfortunately, the picture was slightly unclear, and a part of the top of the plate was cut off. As a result, when she entered the registration number in the machine, she accidentally typed the letter “I” instead of “T”.

We are wondering what the best approach would be to appeal this fine. Should we explain the situation to Parking Eye, showing them the photo to demonstrate the honest mistake? Or would it be better for my dad to simply state that he was not the driver? If he says he wasn’t the driver, does he need to provide my mum's details?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much!

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It’s neither a “penalty” nor a “fine”!

One option would be to appeal on the basis of a “minor keying error” and pay £20 for their costs as a result.

If you don’t think you should pay anything, wait for others to comment. If the driver is not named then the registered keeper can be held liable provided that Parking Eye has complied with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act, and I can’t immediately spot that they have not, but others are more expert then I am.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2025, 02:51:31 pm by jfollows »

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not comply with PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) and it also negates PoFA 9(2)(f) with the bold wording on the front which is also a breach of the PPSCoP. Because of that, even though they will dispute it, the Keeper cannot be liable and as long as the Keeper does not blab the drivers identity, they will not have any way to identify the driver.

Do you want to dispute it?
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain


One option would be to appeal on the basis of a “minor keying error” and pay £20 for their costs as a result.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I was wondering, how do you know that they charge £20 for a minor keying error? Has this happened to you personally?

Also, how can I prove that it was a minor keying error?

Thanks so much!

The Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not comply with PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) and it also negates PoFA 9(2)(f) with the bold wording on the front which is also a breach of the PPSCoP. Because of that, even though they will dispute it, the Keeper cannot be liable and as long as the Keeper does not blab the drivers identity, they will not have any way to identify the driver.

Do you want to dispute it?

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

It sounds amazing that the NtK does not comply with PoFA. I am not familiar with the PoFA rules. If I want to dispute the fine, do I just need to state that I don’t know who the driver was, or do I need to mention all the specific PoFA non-compliance points?

Also, what are the chances of losing the dispute?

Thanks so much!

Also, what are the chances of losing the dispute?
Trying to predict a person's chances of success is a risky business. We can present you with the options, and how to pursue them, but ultimately it's your money and time at stake, not ours, so it's your call based on the information you've received and your attitude to risk.

ParkingEye will reject almost any appeal, simply because they can. The next stage after that is POPLA, where one has a better chance - they do make some odd decisions at times, particularly with PoFA fails that are less 'obvious' (an example of what I'm terming an 'obvious' failure would be delivering the notice too late, for example). If you lose there, the result is not binding on you, and you could wait to see if they decided to take court action (small claims) and seek to defend the matter there.

how do you know that they charge £20 for a minor keying error?
jfollows is referring to the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice. 6.3 and Annex F cover keying errors. In terms of 'proving it', they should have an ANPR log - if you know what character was erroneously input, then they should be able to compare that incorrect VRM against their log. Interestingly, on this point, the CoP says:

"Where the terms and conditions require the driver to supply their vehicle registration mark at an on-site machine, by telephone or online, the parking operator must have and follow a documented policy and procedure to avoid issuing or enforcing a parking charge in respect of accidental keying errors. This should include the adoption of technologies that reduce keying errors.

I don't see why their terminal couldn't be synced to the ANPR system and bring up an warning if a driver tries to enter a VRM that has not been picked up by the ANPR system.


If an incorrect or partial VRM was entered, then their ANPR images would show that no vehicle with the incorrect or partial VRM was observed.

As for PoFA compliance, you can read it for yourself. However we have done all that for you and know what we are advising. You vacant either accept that advice and challenge the PCN or not.

When O say the NtK is not PoFA compliant, it isn’t. Whilst ParkingEye will not agree or, more likely, ignore the fact, there are several stages in the process where their error can be challenged.

Whilst ParkingEye wil rejected the initial appeal, there will be an opportunity to challenge the validity of the PCN with a supposedly “independent” appeal service, POPLA. If that is not successful, then decision is not binding on you and you can challenge any alleged debt in the small claims track of the county court, where you have the best chance at an impartial decision, assuming it ever got that far, which is unlikely in most cases.

Please stop referring to it as a “fine” or a “penalty”. I will personally give you £100 for every occurrence of those words in any documents you have received. It is simply a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver. Just because they have invoiced you, does not mean that you owe them any money.

No one is asking the Keeper to lie about who was driving, even if the Keeper was the driver. The Keeper and the driver are separate legal entities and there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company.

All the Keeper has to do is refer to the driver in the third party. No “I parked here or there”, only “the driver parked here or there”. Nobody except the driver knows who was driving and if ParkingEye has not fully complied with PoFA, they cannot hold the Keeper liable.

As any initial appeal is going to be rejected, simply follow this advice for now:

As long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed... There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. ParkingEye has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ParkingEye have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Regarding your appeal you have 2 choices.

Option 1 admit you think there may have been a keying error (you still don't have to name the driver), if you do that there will one of 3 outcomes, they reject you appeal, you get offered the £20 rate or they cancel it completely.

Option 2 you could rely on the technical interpretation of whether a ntk is compliant with POFA, 'with the bold wording on the front which is also a breach of the PPSCoP' which having browsed here and Pepipoo before only seems to become a defence in the last couple of days and unless Parking Eye have changed their PCN letters recently never used to be an issue. This option (with the wording below) guarantees a rejection of your appeal by PE, probably by POPLA and would require a court to make decision on whether the keeper can be held liable or not. Despite the challenge to the wording often being suggested as regularly as an appeal route I'm not sure we've actually seen any cases where this has been recognised by POPLA as grounds for cancelling the PCN or cases thrown out in court because of it. If there are examples it would be nice to know as it would give confidence it's a valid defence.

This should include the adoption of technologies that reduce keying errors. - true but there's loads of payment machines out there that don't do this and as we all know the cameras aren't infallible so it's quite possible for someone to enter their plate correctly only to be told the system can't find it which is confusing at best.

Your choice which route you take based on your appetite for stress, risk and cost. As DWMB2 noted "ultimately it's your money and time at stake, not ours".

This should include the adoption of technologies that reduce keying errors. - true but there's loads of payment machines out there that don't do this
I'm not sure that contradicts my point - the fact that loads of operators make no effort to reduce the probability of keying errors doesn't alter the fact it's something the code says they should do (I'm aware it's not a 'must', sadly). I get the point re. ANPR errors but here I still think a warning would be useful - it would alert the driver that something was wrong, either with the data he had input, or the parking company's systems.

Option 1 admit you think there may have been a keying error (you still don't have to name the driver), if you do that there will one of 3 outcomes, they reject you appeal, you get offered the £20 rate or they cancel it completely.
If I were arguing this point I'd try to argue it was a minor keying error that should see the charge cancelled, although the code suggests that's for similar looking characters (0 vs O, for example) so PE would be more likely to offer £20 I reckon.

Why on earth would you want to admit any liability? Do you want to throw away £20 just because of their faulty systems?

Regarding the PoFA compliance issue... I have discussed this at length with a District Judge and it was agreed that any failure to comply with all the requirements of PoFA invalidates Keeper liability. The fact that PE and all the other PPCs that do not include an invitation to the Keeper to pay for the charge, ignore the fact that they have not complied with PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) is irrelevant. I have been pushing this argument for well over a year now.

The fact that POPLA have not yet acknowledged a failure of PoFA 9(2)(e)(i) is simply down to the fact that they have not yet had to refer to that point in any appeal and have upheld the appeals on other points. When it comes to making the point in a POPLA appeal, in order to overcome the intellectual malnourishment of some of the assessors, they need to be led by the nose to the reason why the NtK has failed PoFA.

The fact that it has not been argued in court is because I have not yet had a single claim that I am advising on ever reach an actual hearing with every one either being discontinued or struck out, without the need for a WS that includes the PoFA failure to be argued.

Here is the full explanation of why a ParkingEye NtK is not fully compliant with PoFA 9(2)(e)(i):

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Under Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), the Notice to Keeper (NtK) must include a specific invitation to the keeper to pay the charge. This requirement serves to ensure that the keeper understands their liability and has a clear course of action.

The operator cannot simply rely on the fact that the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) is addressed to the Keeper to satisfy Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) of Schedule 4 of PoFA. The law explicitly requires a clear and specific invitation for the keeper to either:

• Pay the parking charge, or
• Provide the name and address of the driver (if the keeper was not the driver).

This is not an "implied" requirement; it must be explicitly stated. Merely inferring that the keeper is invited to pay because the notice is addressed to them does not meet the strict wording requirements of PoFA.

PoFA compliance requires specific wording. The law’s intention is to make the responsibilities of the Keeper clear and unambiguous. Phrases like "you are invited to pay this parking charge" or "you are required to do X, Y, Z" are examples of wording that PoFA expects.

If the notice only says, for example, "the charge must be paid" or "payment is required" without directly inviting the keeper to pay, this is insufficient under PoFA. The wording must link the keeper directly to the payment obligation in an unambiguous way.

The operator cannot claim keeper liability under PoFA if they fail to meet the explicit requirements of 9(2)(e)(i). This is a valid appeal (and defence) point, as courts and independent adjudicators should not rely on implied obligations instead of explicit compliance with statutory requirements.

Please show me a ParkingEye NtK that specifically invites (or any synonym of the word) the Keeper to pay the charge. Their NtKs only invite the driver to pay the charge.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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Please show me a ParkingEye NtK that specifically invites (or any synonym of the word) the Keeper to pay the charge.

I don't think anyone is necessarily claiming it does, but instead outlining the potential benefits and pitfalls that may exist with each option. Pointing out that the specific point hasn't been tested in court (in this case happily due to other points prevailing, or parking companies backing down) is not the same as saying it wouldn't or shouldn't work.

This forum presents people with their options, and individuals may provide opinion on what they believe people ought to do, but we them let them make informed choices on that basis. If the OP wants to fight this all the way, more power to them and we'll all support them to do so. If they decide that reluctantly parting with £20 is preferable to the hassle (assuming it's offered), then that's unfortunate but understandable, and members will not chastise them for it.