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On 14th September 2025 I sold a car to a motor trader and through Facebook Marketplace so I only have their name from Facebook and an email address as I emailed him a receipt for the car at the time. Car was collected on a Sunday evening when the DVLA system won't allow online change of keeper.
The trader filled in the yellow section for me but after he had gone, I noticed that the whole V5 had been taken by him - unsure if accidentally or not.
I have sent messages asking him to update DVLA through Facebook and email but had no response.

I wrote to DVLA on 26th September to inform them of the situation with all the details that I have.

I've now had 2 seperate NTKs for different alleged contraventions. As I do not know new keepers details, is there anything I need to do? I am out of the country from 16-31st Oct so will not be able to deal with anything that arrives through the post in that period.





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“keeper” means the person by whom the vehicle is kept at the time the vehicle was parked, which in the case of a registered vehicle is to be presumed, unless the contrary is proved, to be the registered keeper;

This is a rebuttable(arguable) point.

So pl say what you have to show the sale of this car, for example:

Transfer of funds;
Valuation of your car;
Cancellation of VED;
Cancellation of insurance;
Bill of Sale;
New owner's details.


This is where I made a rookie mistake.

Transfer of funds; - Car was  paid for in cash - I did pay most of it in to my bank account at the post office over the counter (up to the limit I was allowed) and then the rest into my account at the bank branch a few days later. 

Valuation of your car; - I removed the advert from Marketplace on same day the car was collected. Amount paid was certainly a trade price relative to the condition of the vehicle

Cancellation of VED; - Can't do this without the V5 changing keeper so I have paid for the VED by direct debit at beginning of October and if not sorted will get caught for November as well.

Cancellation of insurance; - This was done online as soon as the car was out of my driveway

Bill of Sale; - Only an email sent at the time the vehicle was being collected stating sale amount and reg number.
New owner's details. - Only have name and email address - Full details were written on the V5 ready for me to do on DVLA website but as he took it with him, I do not know them

1. You were not the keeper on the material dates

You sold the vehicle on 14 September 2025 to a motor trader. Both alleged contraventions occurred after that date. Under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, only the keeper at the time of parking can be pursued. You were not the keeper, so you should deny liability on that basis.

2. Immediate actions before travel

Do the following for each PCN.

A. To Secure Parking Solutions Ltd – keeper liability rebuttal
Send by email. Attach a copy of your sale receipt or email, screenshots of your messages to the trader, and a copy or proof of your letter to DVLA dated 26 September.

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Subject: PCN [reference] – Vehicle sold to motor trader on 14/09/2025 – keeper liability denied

I am the former registered keeper of [VRM]. The vehicle was sold to a motor trader on 14/09/2025 and left my possession that day. I was neither the driver nor the keeper on the date of your alleged incident.

Evidence attached: (i) proof of sale dated 14/09/2025, (ii) messages to the trader requesting DVLA update, (iii) my DVLA letter dated 26/09/2025 confirming disposal and requesting record update.

Under Schedule 4 PoFA, you cannot transfer liability to me as I was not the keeper at the time. Please cancel this PCN and erase my data under UK GDPR. If you refuse, confirm that you have placed the matter on hold for 28 days and are contacting DVLA for the in-trade keeper details.

I have no idea who the driver is. Any continued processing or sharing of my data after you are aware I was not the keeper will be unlawful.

Repeat for the second NtK.

B. To DVLA – confirm disposal to motor trade

You already wrote on 26 September. Send a brief follow-up email or letter referencing that.

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Vehicle [VRM], make and model, VIN if available.

I confirmed disposal to the motor trade on 14/09/2025. Please update the record to “in trade” with that date and confirm in writing. I enclose proof of sale and copies of parking NtKs issued to me in error. The trader took the entire V5C and has not responded. Please treat this as a data rectification and accuracy request under Article 16 UK GDPR.

Keep proof of posting or email delivery.

While you are abroad 16–31 October

In your emails to the operator, mention you will be away until 1 November and ask that the case be held until then. If reminder letters arrive during that time, your earlier correspondence protects you. POPLA time limits start from the operator’s rejection, not from the NtK.

PoFA notes
The NtK appears to include most PoFA elements: creditor, issue date, location, and observation period. Your strongest argument is that you were not the keeper on the material dates, proven by your sale and DVLA notification.

If the operator refuses

Send one follow-up reiterating the 14/09/2025 disposal and attach your evidence again. Request a POPLA code. In a POPLA appeal, lead with “not keeper at material time” and include evidence. Add secondary points like signage only if convenient.

If you later find the trader’s address

Provide their name and postal address to the operator. They must then pursue that person and remove your data from their records.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

A note to others as well as the OP, if you're dealing with such sales online, keep a screen shot of every transaction. I nearly got caught out last year. Luckily the screen shots saved the day. 2 x speeding tickets within days of selling a car to a dealer.
Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.

Thanks B789.

Both emailed with as much proof as I can give them

First response in the inbox …..

Good Afternoon,
Please provide the details of the driver in order to transfer liability by sending an email to abeera@sipcarparks.co.uk.We will continue to pursue the named registered keeper under POFA section 4.
Kind Regards,
Abeera
SIP Car Parks

I still don't have an address or contact number for trader that bought my car but DVLA have since updated their system and car was removed from my ownership but only from when notified and not prior to these PCNs.
I forwarded the PCNs via Facebook Messenger to the buyer of the car. He paid both and I had confirmations so I thought it was over.
Had this letter in the post this week so now need advice on best response? I'm unsure if Secure PArking believe I made the fraudulent payment.

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They almost certainly don’t think you committed fraud.

That letter is basically saying: “The bank has clawed back the card payment as ‘fraudulent’, therefore the PCN is still unpaid and we’ve slapped another £20 on top.

It doesn’t tell them who the cardholder was, and they don’t know who initiated the dispute – that’s between the buyer and his bank.

Your position is still:

- You sold the car to a motor trader on 14/09/2025.
- You were not the keeper or the driver on 25/09/2025.
- You did not make the payment or the chargeback.
- They have been put on notice of all of this already.

You just need to nail that down in writing and push the liability back where it belongs. What I’d send to Secure Parking Solutions

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Subject: PCN [reference] – Vehicle sold to motor trader on 14/09/2025 – no liability

Dear Sir or Madam,

I acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 25 November 2025.

As already explained in my previous correspondence, I sold vehicle [VRM] to a motor trader on 14 September 2025. The vehicle left my possession that day. I was neither the keeper nor the driver on the date of the alleged parking event.

For the avoidance of doubt:

• I did not make any payment to you in respect of this PCN.
• I am not the cardholder whose bank has disputed the transaction, nor do I have any knowledge of that payment beyond the fact that the buyer told me he had paid the charge after I forwarded your notice to him.

Any issue you have regarding a chargeback is a matter solely between Secure Parking Solutions, the cardholder and the cardholder’s bank. It has nothing whatsoever to do with me.

Under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, only the keeper at the time of parking may be pursued. I have already provided evidence that the vehicle was sold to the motor trade on 14/09/2025 and that I informed DVLA of this. I therefore put you on notice once again that I deny any liability for this PCN.

You must now either:

1. Pursue the person whose card you accepted for payment, or
2. Cancel this PCN and erase my personal data from your records.

Any further demands for payment from me, or any attempt to misrepresent me as being involved in a “fraudulent transaction”, will be treated as harassment and a misuse of my personal data. I will rely on this letter in support of any complaint or defence in the event that you or your agents commence proceedings.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
[Address]

Keep copies of everything you’ve already sent (proof of sale, DVLA letter, emails, their latest letter). If they or any debt collector continue to chase you, you can reply once more simply enclosing this letter and stating “I am not the keeper or driver – pursue the correct party or cease contact.”

If they ever were foolish enough to issue a claim, your defence would start with: not keeper at the material time, no contract with you, and no payment made by you.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain