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That should do it. Feel free to show us a draft before submitting.

An obvious point, but worth making: be careful with the wording of point #3, so as not to inadvertently reveal who was driving.

The intellectually malnourished eejits are hoping you are low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree. I think they will withdraw once you file your POPLA appeal as they surely know they are on a hiding to nothing and a £35 POPLA fee if they contest your appeal.

Split your POPLA appeal one the PoFA points as follows:

1. Not PoFA compliant (NtH wording and lack of required hire docs)
2. No evidence the hirer was the driver(because of #1 above, #2 applies)
3. BPA CoP failure on signage and lack of consideration time to read Ts&Cs.
4. No evidence of landowner authority.

Lead the POPLA assessor by the nose to each point. Assume it is the tea-boy doing the assessment and never graduated beyond grade 5 or 6.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Productive morning at work...



#1 - Driver not identified

The letter sent to me, the hirer, states that the driver is liable to pay a parking charge and that they have a right to recover the charge from the driver. I request that Premier Park Ltd (PP) provide evidence as to who the driver is.


#2 - PoFA NtH non-compliance

Hypothetically, even if PP had wanted to hold the hirer liable, their Notice to Hirer has failed to meet the conditions required in Section 14(2) of the PoFA 2012. Going point-by-point:

* 13(2)(a) - PP has not provided me with a statement signed by the vehicle-hire firm confirming the vehicle was on hire to me
* 13(2)(b) - PP has not provided me with a copy of the hire agreement
* 13(2)(c) - PP has not provided me with a copy of the statement of liability
* 14(5)(a, c) - PP has not informed me that any unpaid parking charges may be recovered from the hirer


#3 - No evidence of landowner authority

PP has not provided any evidence of their authority to carry out car park management at the location. They must submit a full and unredacted copy of their contract with the landowner that satisfies the BPA CoP Section 7.


#4 - Insufficient consideration period

I am assuming that the consideration period is 10 minutes based on PP's evidence of the vehicle being parked for 11 minutes. If the contract shows that it is longer, then I challenge PP to provide evidence of the vehicle being parked in excess of the consideration period.

The car park in question is strictly app-only, there is no provision for paying by phone/machine/etc (I ask PP to provide evidence of the signage to confirm this). This means that somebody has to download the app and register before they are even able to begin the process of paying for parking.

During the registration process for the 'Sippi' app, the user is prompted to read and accept its terms and conditions, a copy of which is available at https://sippi.app/policies/terms-app/. This is a 5000 word document, which alone takes 15 minutes to read. 

Per BPA CoP 13.1, a driver must have the chance to consider the terms and conditions before entering into the parking contract. By virtue of being required to pay for the parking at this location, the Sippi app's terms and conditions become a material part of the parking contract.

It is therefore unreasonable for the consideration period at this location to be 10 minutes when it takes at least 15 minutes to consider just one part of the parking contract before deciding whether to be bound by it or not.

I'd beef up #1 by stating explicitly that Premier Park's notice states only that the driver is liable, and makes no mention of any other party being liable. Then state that they have written to you in your capacity as the hirer, that they do not know who the driver is. I wouldn't 'request' them to provide evidence, but instead state as fact that they do not know who the driver is, and are writing to you as the hirer.

I'd open #2 by being a bit more explicit that Premier Park are not seeking to hold you, the hirer, liable for the charge, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act. Then make your points that even if they were seeking to hold you liable as the hirer they are unable to because...

It might feel like you are repeating yourself or stating the obvious, but the more explicit you are with your points, the less room you leave for alternative interpretations.

I'd swap #1 and #2 around. #2 becomes the issue because of the failure of #1.

State that you are the hirer. You should list all the points at the beginning of your POPLA appeal and then go through each one in detail. Throw the kitchen sink at them. For example:

Appeal re POPLA Code: [XXX] v [PPC name]
Vehicle Registration: [XXX]
POPLA ref: [XXX]

I, the Hirer of this vehicle, received a letter dated [date] acting as a Notice to Hirer (NtH). My appeal to the operator – [PPC name] – was submitted and acknowledged on [date] but subsequently rejected by a letter/email dated [date]. I contend that I, as the Hirer, am not liable for the alleged parking charge and wish to appeal against it on the following grounds:

1) Non-PoFA compliant Notice to Hirer (NtH)
2) Not the driver/not the person who may be liable for the charge
3) Not the landowner/No landowner contract
4) Inadequate signage

1.  Non-PoFA compliant NtH

PoFA Schedule 4, paragraph 14(1) states that for the creditor to be able exercise their right to recover from the Hirer any unpaid parking charges, the conditions set out in paragraph 14(2) must be met. Those conditions include that the documents mentioned in 14(2)(a), 14(2)(b) and 14(2)(c ) must be included with the NtH. The operator has failed to provide copies of those documents with the NtH and therefore failed to comply with the requirements of PoFA thus invalidation their right to recover any charges from the Hirer.

2. Not the driver/not the person who may be liable for the charge

The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge. (ref POPLA case Carly Law 6061796103). In cases with a Hirer appellant, yet no PoFA 'Hirer liability' to rely upon, POPLA must first consider whether they are confident that the assessor knows who the driver is, based on the evidence received. No presumption or inference can be made about liability whatsoever.

In cases with a Hirer appellant, yet no PoFA 'Hirer liability' to rely upon, POPLA must first consider whether they are confident that the Assessor knows who the driver is, based on the evidence received. No presumption can be made about liability whatsoever. A vehicle can be driven by any person (with the consent of the owner) as long as the driver is insured. There is no dispute that the driver was entitled to drive the car and I can confirm that they were, but I am exercising my right not to name that person.

In this case, no other party apart from an evidenced driver can be told to pay. As there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a parking charge cannot be enforced against a Hirer without a valid NtH.

As the Hirer of the vehicle, it is my right to choose not to name the driver, yet still not be lawfully held liable if an operator is not using or complying with Schedule 4 of PoFA. This applies regardless of when the first appeal was made and regardless of whether a purported NtH was served or not, because the fact remains I am only appealing as the Hirer and ONLY Schedule 4 of PoFA (or evidence of who was driving) can cause a Hirer appellant to be deemed to be the liable party.

The burden of proof rests with the Operator to show that (as an individual) I have personally not complied with terms in place on the land and show that I am personally liable for their parking charge. They cannot.

Furthermore, the vital matter of full compliance with PoFA was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:

Understanding Keeper/Hirer liability - 'There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the Keeper/Hirer of the vehicle.

There is no 'reasonable presumption' in law that the Keeper/Hirer of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. [...] If {PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then Keeper/Hirer liability does not generally pass.'

Therefore, no lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from myself as Hirer of the vehicle, where an operator cannot transfer the liability for the charge using PoFA.

This exact finding was made in POPLA case 6061796103 against ParkingEye in September 2016, where POPLA Assessor Carly Law found:

"I note the operator advises that it is not attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and so in mind, the operator continues to hold the driver responsible. As such, I must first consider whether I am confident that I know who the driver is, based on the evidence received. After considering the evidence, I am unable to confirm that the appellant is in fact the driver. As such, I must allow the appeal on the basis that the operator has failed to demonstrate that the appellant is the driver and therefore liable for the charge. As I am allowing the appeal on this basis, I do not need to consider the other grounds of appeal raised by the appellant. Accordingly, I must allow this appeal."

3. Not the landowner/No landowner contract

As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the land then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner. The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights, and of course all enforcement dates/times/days, and the boundary of the site - is key evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do, and when/where. It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is authorised on the material date, to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only).

Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules. A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement. Nor would it define vital information such as charging days/times, any exemption clauses, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic but crucial information such as the site boundary and any bays where enforcement applies/does not apply. Not forgetting evidence of the only restrictions which the landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge, as well as the date that the parking contract began, and when it runs to, or whether it runs in perpetuity, and of course, who the signatories are: name/job title/employer company, and whether they are authorised by the landowner to sign a binding legal agreement.

Section 7 of the BPA CoP defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance:

Section 7.1 states:

"If you do not own the land on which you are carrying out parking management, you must have the written authorisation of the landowner (or their appointed agent). The written confirmation must be given before you can start operating on the land in question and give you the authority to carry out all the aspects of car park management for the site that you are responsible for. In particular, it must say that the landowner (or their appointed agent) requires you to keep to the Code of Practice and that you have the authority to pursue outstanding parking charges."

Section 7.2 states:

"If the operator wishes to take legal action on any outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent) prior to legal action being taken."

Section 7.3 states:

"The written authorisation must also set out:

a. the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined.

b. any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation.

c. any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement.

d. who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs.

e. the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement”.

I do not believe that the Operators mere site agreement as a contractor issuing PCNs and letters 'on behalf of' the landowner gives the parking firm any rights to sue in their own name. This is insufficient to comply with the BPA Code of Practice and not enough to hold me liable in law to pay the Operator. The Operator has no title in this land and therefore has no standing to enforce 'parking charges' or penalties of any description in any court. No evidence has been supplied lawfully showing that the Operator is entitled to pursue these charges in their own right.

In order to comply with paragraph 7 of the BPA Code of Practice, a non-landowner private parking company must have a specifically worded contract with the landowner - not merely an 'agreement' with a non-landholder managing agent - otherwise there is no authority. I put the Operator to strict proof of compliance with all of the above requirements.

4. Inadequate Signage

I note that within the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 it discusses the clarity that needs to be provided to make a motorist aware of the parking charge. Specifically, it requires that the driver is given 'adequate notice' of the charge. PoFA defines 'adequate notice' as follows:

"(3) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (2) 'adequate notice' means notice given by: (a) the display of one or more notices in accordance with any applicable requirements prescribed in regulations under paragraph 12 for, or for purposes including, the purposes of sub-paragraph (2) or (b) where no such requirements apply, the display of one or more notices which: (i) specify the sum as the charge for unauthorised parking; and (ii) are adequate to bring the charge to the notice of drivers who park vehicles on the relevant land".

Even in circumstances where PoFA does not apply, I believe this to be a reasonable standard to use when making an assessment, as appellant, of the signage in place at the location. Having considered the signage in place at this particular site against the requirements of Section 18 of the BPA Code of Practice and POFA, I am of the view that the signage at the site - given the minuscule font size of the £sum, which is illegible in most photographs and does not appear at all at the entrance - is NOT sufficient to bring the parking charge (i.e. the sum itself) to the attention of the motorist.

There was no contract nor agreement on the 'parking charge' at all. It is submitted that the driver did not have a fair opportunity to read about any terms involving this huge charge, which is out of all proportion and not saved by the dissimilar 'ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis' case.

In the Beavis case, which turned on specific facts relating only to the signs at that site and the unique interests and intentions of the landowners, the signs were unusually clear and not a typical example for this notorious industry. The Supreme Court were keen to point out the decision related to that car park and those facts only:



In the Beavis case, the £85 charge itself was in the largest font size with a contrasting colour background and the terms were legible, fairly concise and unambiguous. There were 'large lettering' signs at the entrance and all around the car park, according to the Judges.

Here is the 'Beavis case' sign as a comparison to the signs under dispute in this case:



This case, by comparison, does not demonstrate an example of the 'large lettering' and 'prominent signage' that impressed the Supreme Court Judges and swayed them into deciding that in the specific car park in the Beavis case alone, a contract and 'agreement on the charge' existed.

Here, the signs are sporadically placed, indeed obscured and hidden in some areas. They are unremarkable, not immediately obvious as parking terms and the wording is mostly illegible, being crowded and cluttered with a lack of white space as a background. It is indisputable that placing letters too close together in order to fit more information into a smaller space can drastically reduce the legibility of a sign, especially one which must be read BEFORE the action of parking and leaving the car.

It is vital to observe, since 'adequate notice of the parking charge' is mandatory under the PoFA Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice, these signs do not clearly mention the parking charge which is hidden in small print (and does not feature at all on some of the signs). Areas of this site are unsigned and there are no full terms displayed - i.e. with the sum of the parking charge itself in large lettering - at the entrance either, so it cannot be assumed that a driver drove past and could read a legible sign, nor parked near one.

This case is more similar to the signage in POPLA decision case 5960956830 on 02/06/2016, where the Assessor Rochelle Merritt found as fact that signs in a similar size font in a busy car park where other unrelated signs were far larger, was inadequate:

"...the signage is not of a good enough size to afford motorists the chance to read and understand the terms and conditions before deciding to remain in the car park. [...] In addition the operators signs would not be clearly visible from a parking space [...] The appellant has raised other grounds for appeal but I have not dealt with these as I have allowed the appeal."

From the evidence I have seen so far, the terms appear to be displayed inadequately, in letters no more than about half an inch high, approximately. I put the operator to strict proof as to the size of the wording on their signs and the size of lettering for the most onerous term, the parking charge itself.

The letters seem to be no larger than .40 font size going by this guide:

http://www-archive.mozilla.org/newlayout/testcases/css/sec526pt2.htm

As further evidence that this is inadequate notice, Letter Height Visibility is discussed here:

http://www.signazon.com/help-center/sign-letter-height-visibility-chart.aspx

"When designing your sign, consider how you will be using it, as well as how far away the readers you want to impact will be. For example, if you are placing a sales advertisement inside your retail store, your text only needs to be visible to the people in the store. 1-2' letters (or smaller) would work just fine. However, if you are hanging banners and want drivers on a nearby highway to be able to see them, design your letters at 3' or even larger."

"When designing an outdoor sign for your business keep in mind the readability of the letters. Letters always look smaller when mounted high onto an outdoor wall.

"...a guideline for selecting sign letters. Multiply the letter height by 10 and that is the best viewing distance in feet. Multiply the best viewing distance by 4 and that is the max viewing distance."

So, a letter height of just half an inch, showing the terms and the 'charge' and placed high on a wall or pole or buried in far too crowded small print, is woefully inadequate in an outdoor car park. Given that letters look smaller when high up on a wall or pole, as the angle renders the words less readable due to the perspective and height, you would have to stand right in front of it and still need a stepladder (and perhaps a torch and/or magnifying glass) to be able to read the terms.

Under Lord Denning's Red Hand Rule, the charge (being 'out of all proportion' with expectations of drivers in this car park and which is the most onerous of terms) should have been effectively: 'in red letters with a red hand pointing to it' - i.e. VERY clear and prominent with the terms in large lettering, as was found to be the case in the car park in 'Beavis'. A reasonable interpretation of the 'red hand rule' and the 'signage visibility distance' tables above and the BPA Code of Practice, taking all information into account, would require a parking charge and the terms to be displayed far more transparently, on a lower sign and in far larger lettering, with fewer words and more 'white space' as background contrast. Indeed in the Consumer Rights Act 2015 there is a 'Requirement for transparency':

(1) A trader must ensure that a written term of a consumer contract, or a consumer notice in writing, is transparent.

(2) A consumer notice is transparent for the purposes of subsection (1) if it is expressed in plain and intelligible language and it is legible.

The Beavis case signs not being similar to the signs in this appeal at all, I submit that the persuasive case law is in fact 'Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest [2000] EWCA Civ 106' about a driver not seeing the terms and consequently, she was NOT deemed bound by them.

This judgment is binding case law from the Court of Appeal and supports my argument, not the operator's case:

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2000/106.html

This was a victory for the motorist and found that, where terms on a sign are not seen and the area is not clearly marked/signed with prominent terms, the driver has not consented to - and cannot have 'breached' - an unknown contract because there is no contract capable of being established. The driver in that case (who had not seen any signs/lines) had NOT entered into a contract. The recorder made a clear finding of fact that the plaintiff, Miss Vine, did not see a sign because the area was not clearly marked as 'private land' and the signs were obscured/not adjacent to the car and could not have been seen and read from a driver's seat before parking.

So, for this appeal, I put this operator to strict proof of where the car was parked and (from photos taken in the same lighting conditions) how their signs appeared on that date, at that time, from the angle of the driver's perspective. Equally, I require this operator to show how the entrance signs appear from a driver's seat, not stock examples of 'the sign' in isolation/close-up. I submit that full terms simply cannot be read from a car before parking and mere 'stock examples' of close-ups of the (alleged) signage terms will not be sufficient to disprove this.

Conclusion

Taking all the above into account, I therefore respectfully request that my appeal is upheld, and the PCN is dismissed.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2024, 01:28:23 pm by b789 »
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Withdrawn by the operator, thanks all!

If anyone has tips for dealing with the administration charges added by the hire company, that would be helpful.

My contract with them is pretty clear that "traffic violations/PCN’s/Parking Charge Notices are subject to management fees", so seems unlikely I'd be able to dispute it with them.

Small claims against Premier Park for the costs incurred?

Check the hire conditions carefully, some say they will refund if the charge is overturned. Some say they won't. Many are silent.

A complaint may cause an ex gratia refund,if not a bit of noise on their socials pointing out it is fundamentally unreasonable "xxx still charge £x for notifying an incorrect parking charge" is not a great look.

If it's silent on refunds there is an argument it's an unfair term under the consumer rights act.

I don't really see the issuer was negligent in the original issue, holding them liable would be a stretch.