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If the subject of valid insurance and subsequent prosecution for a lack of is not in the OPs SJPN pack then there is no nest or hornets. It is better to deal with what is on the table rather than making up scenarios to suit your musings. 

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Already moved on to a more modern insurance provider.

What do you mean by this? Are you now insured with someone else and not SAGA? 

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The Flame Pit / Re: Ticketed at 22MPH? (Really?)
« on: April 14, 2026, 09:48:50 am »
The good Dr won't have been done 3 times for 22mph in a 20. Our main sample set is from here, but generally most of the outraged about receiving a ticket for speeding will invariably say they were only doing 10% or less over the speed limit.

In my local there are at least 3 blokes who swear blind a camera got them at 31mph in a 30. I tend to politely tell them they are talking out of their hoop.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Ticketed at 22MPH? (Really?)
« on: April 14, 2026, 09:36:30 am »
That thing that will annoy me about that Kemi statement is no one will pull her up on it.

Do they honestly think that the same Police staff processing NIPs and COFPs are all frontline officers? I'm not sure I want Janine from the Dog & Duck investigating my house burglary. 

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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: Bollard badly positioned.
« on: April 13, 2026, 12:47:24 pm »
The usual reason for these bollards is to stop vehicles from mounting the curb. Being that there is only one and it is in this location it may have been added in relation to the Dray delivering to the Pub.

Google Maps suggests it has been there since at least 2008.

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The OP's original thread.

https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/going-24mph-on-a-20-only-saw-nip-4-months-later/msg112987/#msg112987

It was locked, presumably because it was a garbled account of what may or may not have happened and despite a few attempts at getting the meat off the bones, all we wiser to was that the OP moved house and didn't update his V5C. However despite not seeing the NIP until 4 months later (not sure from when though) he was apparently offered an SAC that he didn't respond to either...

We can only assume that the OP now has a SJPN because they haven't bothered to inform us of that fact.

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Standard practice these days is to plead not guilty to both offences and in the 'reasons for not guilty' box write that you would be willing to amend your plea for the speeding charge to guilty if the S.172 offence is dropped.

It used to be a necessity to attend court to facilitate this sort of deal, but we hear more often than not these days it is being performed at SJPN stage. If they don't accept the online plea then it will proceed to court where traditional methods can be used.   

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I suggest you be more aware of speed limits in future

Cough

I couldn't get an SAC as the last one was 2 years and 50 weeks ago! I seem to get nicked every 3 years, always late at night with nothing else around.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Mislaid s172 offer
« on: March 13, 2026, 10:23:03 am »
So have you provided your licence details or not?

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Is that process even legal ? If it is, then technically the Met Police doesn't have to send any conditional offer even to motorists when they exceed the speed limits, and they could just charge 2.5x what they would charge normally ?

An organized racket scheme ?

Correct. The Met do not have to send out a COFP to anyone. It is a system to enable the fast processing of motorists that meet the criteria to be offered one and are willing to accept guilt.

They could just send all of them to SJPN, albeit quickly overwhelming the system I would suspect.

Looking at the time line in your case, I would say more of a disorganised racket if anything.

Obviously there is another cunning way to beat the system.

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I wouldn't pop up here flag waving for a self serving **** like AGT. If you said the sky was blue he would insist that you didn't know what you were talking about and only he could properly advise on what colour the sky was.

Edit: Actually, just looking through your post history. Hi Andrew!  :D

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I don't get how/why a bench would think that/be skeptical? Maybe I'm new to this, but why would someone not respond? Surely eventually catches up?

The level of legal advice people get from the man in the pub is not great. The 'claim you never got the forms and they can't do you mate' one is one of them.

While I'm not suggesting that this was your approach, a bench would have seen a variety of defences and therefore cannot act on a claim of didn't receive the paperwork alone without some sort of compelling proof or testimony. And as NJ says, how do you prove a negative?
 

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Are there copies of the original NIPs within the SJPN pack?

I think what people are trying to establish is whether the details on your V5C are correct in order for the NIP to have had a chance of reaching you. You say you have had notices before, were they to your current address?

The problem you have have is knowing probably doesn't help you much. If the address is wrong on your V5, this is your fault and therefore you have contributed to the non-serving of the NIP.

If it is correct then you will have to prove that neither notices and possibly a couple of reminders were received, however the SJPN was.

A sceptical bench may ask if someone on 9 points may have an ulterior motive to claim no receipt. What may help is your claim is that you were not driving the vehicle at the time and therefore it was in your interests to have replied to both. But again without proof it will be decided if your defence was credible, if that was the angle you were going to run with.

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Is the next hearing date after the stat dec really scheduled for December 2026?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Without care and attention
« on: March 02, 2026, 09:58:52 am »
Based on your knowledge and experience - what do you think the likelihood is that, me losing my job due to genuinely no alternative transport options, would be considered exceptional hardship?

As mentioned, losing your job on its own is not necessarily considered to be exceptional, however

I work shifts with irregular hours with special needs children, and there's no public transport

This could have a bit more mileage in it. Can you expand on this? Does your wife drive? Work? Do you need to ferry the kids about to and from appointments during the day?

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