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You probably should have requested footage or image stills (to assist with identifying the driver) before you named yourself. Now you have there is no obligation to provide you with evidence unless you opt for a court hearing.   

You need to be a bit more open with us about what you did with the phone, otherwise it is hard to advise.

From what you describe, you turned maps back on and put the phone back in the cradle, I'm guessing you held this in your hand while looking down, tapping at the screen when sat at the lights?

Why did the phone fall out of the cradle? And why wouldn't it fall out of it again as soon as you started moving? 

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The Flame Pit / Re: Video of me in my vehicle on X
« on: August 10, 2026, 10:00:04 am »
* £200 & 6 points.

I personally wouldn't be worried about it. I've seen enough of these videos* and I can honestly say I do not remember a thing about the star or their vehicle. How many people really are going to be outraged enough by someone on their phone, while sat stationary at the lights, that they would want to be confrontational in the future?

Ultimately the posters are doing it for content and the more they can annoy someone into reacting the better. Any moral story they may want to plead about doing it for dead relatives is generally a load of old **** to attempt to garner sympathy over criticism.

* Usually because I want to see if someone gets out their vehicle and head butts him, the cycling nonce.

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Presumably no issues with what you have seen on the site?

That speed would normally qualify for a speed awareness course if eligible. Otherwise 3pts and £100, assuming the driver is currently on less than 9pts.

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What was your alleged speed?

You asked if the links expire, they can do. How long ago was the offence and how long have you had your request for driver information.

This needs to be completed irrespective of whether you have seen the pictures or not.

With regard to the calibration checks, unless you were doing 80 or 100mph it is probably of no use knowing.

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OP you have shared the letter but not the pictures, so we'll have to take your word for it.

As pointed out already the offence is complete. However there is nothing to stop you calling the ticket office or attaching a letter with your driver nomination pointing out that you did in fact stop if the pictures show this. Do not be confrontational or demanding, just ask if based on this they would kindly consider dropping the offence.

Level of success is not high, but if you don't ask you don't get. Just don't make it look like you are challenging the evidence or give them the impression that you would reject all offers and like to take the matter to court.

And I would like to wake up next to Alyson Hannigan. Which also isn't going to be happening.

Got to love a cheeky ginger. The same applies to Karen Gillan & Rose Leslie...

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S172 covers the duty to identify the driver of a vehicle.
Do the SJPNs refer to speeding and/or failure to identify the driver?

Reading the thread answers your question. Particularly the post directly above yours (point 1).

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The Flame Pit / Re: Have I been caught?
« on: July 02, 2026, 09:56:06 am »
I think it would be physically impossible to move into the bus lane only once you are level with the use bus lane sign. There would have to be a dramatic last minute swerve and you would still be a couple of feet prior to the sign.

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That is irrelevant to be honest. It is whether a court would share that opinion based upon the facts. One of them being did you drive down that road on that day at roughly 1hr time difference. You did, obviously, otherwise how would you know that the time is 1hr out for the location given?   

You never mentioned anything wrong with the date of offence.

Your easiest approach still is to email or contact the CTO involved informing them of their error and state that you can evidence (assuming you can) that your vehicle was elsewhere at the time. They may drop it or they may push ahead and say you will have to dispute this formally.
 

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Minor errors in a NIP, which do not negate the purpose of enabling the driver to recall the incident which gave rise to the allegation, do not void the NIP. E.g. if you know that the location on the NIP is wrong because you know you got caught just past the bus stop, the NIP is still valid

Did you drive down that road at all that day but at a different time, maybe by an hour or so?

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So what do you want to happen? The vehicle returned? Scrapped? Given a new registration?

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Right. So you are still out of pocket on what you paid for the Mazda. Owing to the fact you have no Mazda and no Toyota and only part of the fee for the Toyota returned via the cash element?

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Generally the best time (no pun) to point this out would have been when naming the driver. Usually advice is to wait until 14 days have elapsed from the date of offence and then reply with a cover letter giving your details but pointing out that while you are the RK and driver of the vehicle, the vehicle itself was at such and such location at the time specified.

There are no guarantees of success, but we have heard of forces then dropping the prosecution due to a processing error. If you have all of the reference numbers still, you could try emailing or phoning the CTO involved and tell them that although you nominated yourself the car was elsewhere, etc.

Otherwise the only other course you have is to reject all out of court settlement offers and plead NG in order to put your case across. The problem is, if it is a GMT/BST error, the Magistrate may allow this to be corrected under the slip rule. Which then makes the day out very expensive. 

What are we talking here, Speeding? What was the alleged speed and limit?

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The Flame Pit / Re: speed limit changes and terminal signs
« on: June 18, 2026, 11:37:17 am »
That sign looks like it has a lamp over it to me.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/jvdsSCwkQtdN2iGn7

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4. What is he “docref” date (at the bottom of page 2, I believe).

And this bit?

The reason for the scrutiny is we are told it is virtually impossible for the 'system' to issue an NIP out of time. There is also of course the general state of the postal system these days (and particularly it being a busy time of the year of for the post office).

But there is the possibility that on the 20th December an automatic reminder was sent as 21 days had lapsed without a response. You have 28 days but you do see reminders being received before that has elapsed.

Often the process of identification is described in the statement, along the lines of "A S.172 request was sent on X date requesting driver details" If no response was received it will mention a reminder was sent on XX date.


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So you received the NIP the same day it was posted? Which seems to be more than 21 days.

What does the summons say with regards to the charge. They will often include a statement that will contain the description of the process they took to obtain the driver details.

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