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Thanks - All the info is factual but Tempus Fugit.
I have enough to make a decision with your helpful comments

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Thanks again for the responses. Following on from the latest input from G6PRK & b789:-

1. Not sure on the signage - Keeper & Driver live over 150 miles away and any signage today would be 18 months after the event. I have nothing to offer from 2023.

2. The mitigating circumstance is that the driver sprained their ankle by tripping into a rabbit hole or similar when walking along the coast from Harlyn Bay which delayed their departure from the car park by at least 20 mins due to reduced mobility. A picture of the swollen foot was taken several days after the PCN arrived that shows a bruised toenail and imflammation of the ankle joint which lasted for about 20 days.

3. Regarding the comment "Per earlier messages it’s also plausible that it never goes there or if it does the claim is defective and is struck out before a hearing."
Are you indicating that the liklihood of the following comment on their final demand might not be actioned "Please be warned that, if we do not receive payment in full by 02/04/2025 we will have no option but to forward your case to our Litigation Department, which may result in additional charges.

4. My comment about being £100 worse off is based on paying the fine.

5. You make the point that either the driver or the Keeper can defend the action in court - Will this be stated on any future correspondence concerning County Court proceedings?

Finally, the driver is keen to ignore the Demand and would welcome ongoing assistance from your good selves going forward but does not wish any burden to fall on the keeper. Best Regards - Purbeckfossil

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Thanks for all your input.

So, to summarise

1. I was of the opinion, wrongly it appears, that the keeper is still responsible for the PCN, even after stating that they were not driving the vehicle and decline to name the driver at the time of the alledged offence.

2. Given that the driver had mitigating circumstances, it sounds as though the Keeper would have been better to inform Alliance of the driver so the driver could contest the fine with the mitigating facts?

3. Alliance have followed correct procedure, ---regrettably.

and on a final note:

1. Alliance Parking
- Has received nothing but negative comments on review sites - deservedly in my opinion.
- The website is currently not available and any documentation regarding PCN information or documentation submitted by the Keeper/Driver is unavailable. This severely affects the ability of the Keeper/Driver to review the case after so long a delay between PCN & Final Demand.

2. Be aware that ANPR clocks you the second you arrive and the senond you depart so it is this time log that determines your stay at the car park - A lot of people haven fallen foul of this with no apparent lee-way.

3. IMO, 18 months lag between PCN and Final Demand is untenable and does not allow the Driver to subsequently challenge the PCN.

Looks like I am at least £100 worse off  - but I have a story for the boys in the Pub on Saturday - Thanks Again, unless there are nay more comments, I have a few days before the demand is due!

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I sympathise. Alliance have sent a final demand after 18 months. I will not be giving them any of my hard earned wonga >:(

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The registered keeper received a PCN for a duration of stay of 3hr 12min 40sec on 13/06/2023. Yes, about 18 months ago!!! The registered keeper was not driving the car and submitted a response that they were under no compunction to tell Alliance Parking who the driver was. Alliance then acknowledged that this was correct.

No further correspondence was received from Alliance until the registered keeper received a final demand dated 19 March 2025 for £100 with a payment date of 02/04/2025.

As I understand the situation, PCNs can be active for six years which seems excessive, but whatever......

Due to the time lag, the only documentation that exists is a copy of the original PCN. On attempting to access the Alliance website, there is this message "We are currently updating our website; which we hope to go live by Spring 2025." with no ability to access any details on the reference number given on the final demand or against the PCN.

The driver of the car remembers paying for 3hrs at the machine either by phone or cash, not sure which, but thinks cash was used. The parking ticket is no longer available so the excess time is 12mins 40secs. I also believe that the driver had reasonable mitigating circumstances but did not submit anything to Alliance as they have only just issued the final demand to the keeper some 18 months later. Alliance have never acknowledged that a parking ticket was issued.

So, where do we go from here? Pay up, go to court or have Alliance not followed correct procedure that can be suggested by a written letter.

Any guidance would be gratefully received.

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