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The Flame Pit / Re: Have I been caught?
« on: November 03, 2025, 07:47:49 pm »
Or, A to D, B to F, D to E...

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DVSA response to Step 2 Escalation complaint.





This looks suspiciously like a 'nuffin, to do with us, guv - go and rattle someone elses's cage.'

And the bit at the top of the second page seems to me that it's not supposed to be for my eyes  :o  :o

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Oh, I am, thanks to your guidance and explanations 👍👍

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Ooohhhh...




I followed your instructions and had a giggle.

I'm curious about how you'd wind them up! I'm sure it would be at least as amusing as GCCT's footer.


I've also sent the following to DVLA:

"Dear Data Assurance Team,

I have yet to receive a response to my previous email (dated 12/8/25) escalating my complaint to Step 2 of the DVLA complaints process.

Six weeks plus without any response appears unfortunate. However, if you consider that this is not unacceptable I would appreciate some indication of the timeframe to respond that you aim to achieve.

Yours faithfully,
"

I fear some of the lovely Deborah's passive-aggressive-ness has rubbed off onto me   :-X  ;D

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Yeah, and on reflection, I've changed my mind about Deborah. She's too passive-aggressive for me.

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Deborah has such a lovely signature, so I'm sure she's a great person. Shame about Tim though. I wonder if his signature is, er, a bit faded...

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An update...

DVLA Step 2 Escalation was emailed on 12/8/25. No response so far. Shocked! Shall I poke them?

First ZZPS money demand with menaces received on 22/8/25

Second ZZPS money demand with menaces seemingly posted on 8/9/25. Due to holidays from 8th to 23rd Sept, received on 23/9/25


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Saba, eh? Railway property, eh?, July, eh? Payment problem, eh?

This sounds eerily similar to my current circumstance!

This is my thread:
https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/saba-railway-property-penalty-notice-to-owner/msg84667/#msg84667

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I received the standard response from DVLA a couple of days ago.

So, just for the record:


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Or this (as the above doesn't seem to work - despite following the instructions)

https://imgur.com/a/zWkzp7T


DVLA level 2 response now?

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Indeed.

Maybe saba would like to consult the freely available 'Register of Vehicle Owners'. Do you have contact details for such a thing  ;D

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Ah, yeah... I don't know how many times I read words to that effect - and yet  :-\

Stiil, I don't think anyone knows who the owner is!

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No, I did not identify as the driver, nor the keeper. I referred to myself as 'I', as in 'I am the person trying to pay you' kind of thing. However, I have no idea if they have pics or vids of anyone entering or exiting the vehicle concerned.

Thanks for all the rest. It's somewhat amusing. I hope it stays that way! I know you are confident it will, but this is my first rodeo...


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Hey, thanks for all that :-)

I was unaware of most/all of what you've covered until several days after the event, while I was just noodling aroung the forum not looking for anything specific, and discovered the other saba posts ('saba' not 'SABA', in deference to their naff graphics branding).

So, rather than just give them the finger, I thought I'd show a bit of willing, not knowing they, apparently, have no teeth.

Can I expect them to do nothing, or will they attempt to turn the screw? I'm pretty sure they will, but by how much, I have no idea. Or will the TOC prosecute me?? (Hahaha - I think...).

As you say, I've already expended considerable effort on this, but I'm pretty ****ed off, and I do fancy rattling some cages now. The DVLA business is easy, as you've given me the script. The fraud complaint will obviously take a fair amount of effort, but right now I feel like taking this on.

I totally promise to keep this updated, even if it means that I report back that I'm giving up because it's too difficult or time-consuming, or I've been too intimidated and succumbed to the pressure. I just hate threads where the OP diappears without trace.

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Links to files now accessible (sorry for being an idiot...)

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I parked at Cheddington Station on July 10th. On leaving I attempted to pay via their app but was unable to log in, probably due to no phone signal. I'd visited previously a couple of years ago and parked outside their car park because I was unable to pay at the machine - due to lack of phone signal.

Once back home a few hours later I attempted to pay again, as they have the facility to 'pay late'. Another failure to login, but this time there was plenty of wifi. So, not my end.

After some time, maybe an hour or two, I actually managed to connect via their app. So, IMO, there must have been an issue at their end for a few hours.

However, when I attempted to pay on the app, I immediately received a message from my bank advising me my card was rejected due to the card expiry date being incorrect. I immediately corrected that on the app and tried again. I can't recall exactly what happened when I tried paying again, but there was no message from the bank and there was no money transferred.

Then I contacted saba via their webform. They claimed my card details were incorrect. It's impossible on the app to see what card details were entered by me, but much later I proved (at least to myself) that all details were correct.

They also suggested going to their website and paying as a 'guest' (i.e. not logged in) or phoning 'customer support'.

I have a phobia about 'customer support' - have you ever tried getting a doctor's appointment, or worse still, attempting to sort out Vodaphone? That one ended up after a very considerable to and fro with me telling them to take me to court. They didn't.

So, I logged in as a guest. No dice. see the screenshot of the error message which I would suggest is nothing at all to do with my bank and everything to do with their end (i.e. whoever provides their payment services).

They suggested contacting my bank, because that's who they're blaming, if it isn't me. I did so, and the bank couldn't come up with any suggestions.

When I was in the middle of replying to the bank (on the 14th) I just had the idea of trying to pay again. I created a 'new' payment method, which was the same card as I'd previously entered and corrected. And it worked. But I had to pay for a time period when I wasn't there as their Ts&Cs won't allow payment after midnight after the day of the parking event. I also paid with my 'old' card for yet another time period to see if it would work. It did. By now I thought I may be confused about which card I was actually using (as all you can see of the card details on the app is the last four digits) so I actually deleted the card I'd last used and paid with the remaining, almost certainly the original one, and that worked too. Surprised - not.

Then I claimed my overpayment back. 'Customer support' ended up telling me that 'it doesn't work like that - here's all your money back and you can expect a fine too'. Nice.

This seems rather long, but I didn't want to drip-feed details.

I can post up all the emails from saba (apart from my first message which was entered into their webform) and all the correspondance from the bank if it is useful.

I'm aware of the threads 'Saba Parking Services - Railway parking site - debt collector before initial notice?' which is still ongoing, and 'Byelaws offence - Taken to magistrates for private parking ticket' which sadly fizzled out.


Here's the invoice:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A-XwBfwNLFJjTJDwWnAEbDCsTCa1s4fo/view?usp=drive_link


The rear of the invoice is just methods of payment, debt advice links, link to complaints website and GDPR statement.


Saba website error message:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eIk4pzr-MxvQXF9BLOryUfp_HI4TFxjm/view?usp=drive_link

(Couldn't get imgur working despite reading the instructions)


Google maps:


https://maps.app.goo.gl/oqk9kQYLqPusgA2x7[/url]


I'm the RK of the vehicle, and I've always referred to myself as 'I', as in 'I tried to pay' etc, though I have no proof of this in my original, webform, contact with saba.


So, appeal or wait for court?

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