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The Flame Pit / Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
« on: November 28, 2025, 12:27:04 pm »
Who remembers this...?




Is there an FTLA version covering Council/Private that could be used to spread awareness and encourage appeals?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden borough 'bus lane as whole road'
« on: November 05, 2025, 05:06:34 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on November 03, 2025, 04:01:36 pm
Yes it's a bus gate at those times.

I don't think the signage is adequate but adjudicators have found it OK - see a case towards the end of this thread:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/camden-using-a-route-restricted-to-certain-vehicles-local-buses-cycles-only-urge/

The OP in that thread though has a good case on not being to see as being on a m/c behind a vehicle.
It's curious as along TCR there are four 'bus gates';
2 have a sign on each side of the road.
2 have a single sign.
Some have an arrow painted on the carriageway.
Don't remember if any had any 'advance warning' when I walked along TCR.

At junction of Howland Road;
In addition just one of the ATS has the 'turn left' blue arrow and guess which one I was looking at?
(yes the one the local authority have not included any photographs of in their evidence pack)

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: November 05, 2025, 05:00:08 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on November 02, 2025, 11:17:47 am
I don't do Tuesdays. So, this will have to be adjourned to a Wednesday, Friday or Saturday. PM received. We had better communicate by phone to sort out a date, which will most probably be March now. PM sent.
@Hippocrates
Rescheduled to: Friday 20 March 2026 - 3:30pm

Any good for you?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: November 02, 2025, 12:56:51 am »
Quote from: H C Andersen on November 01, 2025, 03:42:36 pm
Appeal lost.

OP did not appear but the authority were represented.

The adjudicator's findings were that one sign is the regulatory requirement(where this bold statement comes from I've no idea, as we know the minimum legal test is 'adequacy') and that 'Signage was I found, on the council's cctv footage of the incident, which I viewed, visible, and, I inferred, fully within the appellant's line of vision

(my emphasis).

Whether there's a case for review on the grounds that the adjudicator took into account something which they should not, perhaps we can discuss. I refer to this in the decision: 'I noted that prior to meeting the restriction, the appellant also failed to comply with a mandatory direction to turn left at the preceding junction.'

Also, OP what were the circumstances surrounding you not appearing?
I think you have posted on the incorrect thread..?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: October 31, 2025, 03:06:35 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on October 05, 2025, 01:46:05 pm
Paras. 11 and 12 apply in your case:

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Practice%20Direction%2002-2025%20on%20behalf%20of%20ETA%2019%20August%202025%20-%20Service%20of%20evidence%20by%20Enforcement%20Authorities.pdf
@Hippocrates - I've received the 'evidence pack' by email today which consists of;
1. Video.
2. PDF of various docs inc; appeal confirmation, TMO, Challenge, letters, stills, site pictures (some old ones highlighting the turn left blue arrow?), picture showing the turn left arrow (except buses & cycles) with the timed restriction sign in the background past the road junction.

What should I do with it?

Appeal date: Tuesday 11th Nov 2025 Time: 10:00 Type: Personal - video

Thank you.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: October 05, 2025, 11:13:04 am »
Just over a month to go to the adjudicator appeal; when should I expect the Council's 'evidence pack'?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: August 04, 2025, 09:22:07 am »
Quote from: Hippocrates on July 27, 2025, 10:45:05 pm
You should upload to the appeal as you state to be safe. I am still offering to represent you. I would not pay it.  Up to you. I am not going to engage in open disagreements on the forum. I'll PM you my phone number if you wish to do so mano a mano. FGS!

I suggest we all go to bed.  ;) I have another 10 appeals to write tomorrow.
@Hippocrates, hope your appeals went well. I also don't want to pay anything as I haven't done anything wrong.
Your offer is gratefully accepted and when you have time, can we can discuss further here or by PM/email...


Quote from: H C Andersen on July 27, 2025, 11:04:15 pm
In all probability your appeal will be registered - the tribunal factor in postal delays and other matters and normally apply a limit of 30 days or more as they are permitted to do. I wouldn't fret. The important thing is that you submitted it.

Currently they're scheduling for October, so we've plenty of time once it's been registered.
The appeal has been accepted/registered for a date in November as you indicated - we have plenty of time...

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: July 27, 2025, 10:36:34 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on July 27, 2025, 09:54:34 pm
Clearly day 1 is 26th June. You had a NOR. Then communicate again with them. I hope the Tribunal accept it as it is late if you cannot provide further evidence re their extension.

Sorry, I am not a one-man-band and have a life outside of helping people - just! In fact, I am taking most of August off.
With all due respect all the experts on FTLA who give up their own time to help others in trouble do a wonderful job and are much appreciated.
You offered to help on the 20th which I accepted then not hearing anything further on the 22nd posted on the thread again.
Then I PM'd you on the 24th as I was getting stressed not hearing any further.
As per your PM on the 25th I emailed you an update and again nothing until today the 27th.
You can't help everyone even though you might like to, but if you do offer to help please don't leave them in the dark stressing out & missing deadlines.

Quote from: Hippocrates on July 27, 2025, 09:54:34 pm
Clearly day 1 is 26th June. You had a NOR.....

As someone not versed in parking appeals procedure, no there is no 'clearly' about it and since the letter simply states 'end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of which the NOR is served.' - pure gobbledegook to the ordinary man in the street. Add to that the decline of Royal Mail standards, when you actually receive your post is becomming a lottery anyway.

I suppose I should upload to the appeal, the email reply dated 21JUL25 stating the discount period has been reset which made me believe the '28 day period' had also.
Although another seriously stressed part of me is now seriously considering paying the discount to make this just go away.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: July 27, 2025, 09:50:08 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on July 27, 2025, 09:46:30 pm
Have you provided evidence that they extended the discount in writing?
Quote from: H C Andersen on July 27, 2025, 07:14:37 pm
Stop compiling War and Peace.

AT THIS STAGE registering your appeal requires nothing more than 'Contravention did not occur' and you rely on your formal reps.

Didn't know I had to - H C Andersen's post above says my "appeal requires nothing more than 'Contravention did not occur'"

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: July 27, 2025, 09:43:04 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on July 27, 2025, 09:39:19 pm
Quote from: markie76 on July 27, 2025, 09:20:09 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on July 27, 2025, 09:08:25 pm
The original NOR is now passed. What have they sent you as per your PM?
@Hippocrates terrible timing, if only you were here 10 minutes earlier.
I pm'd you on the 22d then I emailed you an update as you requested in your PM of the 24th.

Please tell me what you have done and written.
I registered an appeal;
Ground(s)for appeal: No contravention
Reason for appeal: Contravention did not occur.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: July 27, 2025, 09:38:03 pm »
Quote from: John U.K. on July 27, 2025, 09:31:04 pm
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2 questions, can the scheduled appeal be changed and option to have someone represent me changed?

Yes and Yes.

Follow Hippocrates' advice.
I got the email confirmation with 'The tribunal will consider your appeal and let you know if it is accepted within 7 days'  :'(
I will once I get some...  :'(

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: July 27, 2025, 09:20:09 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on July 27, 2025, 09:08:25 pm
The original NOR is now passed. What have they sent you as per your PM?
@Hippocrates terrible timing, if only you were here 10 minutes earlier.
I pm'd you on the 22d then I emailed you an update as you requested in your PM of the 24th.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: July 27, 2025, 09:15:40 pm »
Quote from: John U.K. on July 27, 2025, 08:50:20 pm
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OK, if I rely on my formal reps doesn't that mean I can't introduce any new appeal points?

No, you can submit further points before the hearing: you can also respond to any points raised by the Council in their aevidence pack.
Done online.
2 questions, can the scheduled appeal be changed and option to have someone represent me changed?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: July 27, 2025, 08:11:19 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on July 27, 2025, 07:14:37 pm
Stop compiling War and Peace.

AT THIS STAGE registering your appeal requires nothing more than 'Contravention did not occur' and you rely on your formal reps.
OK, if I rely on my formal reps doesn't that mean I can't introduce any new appeal points?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Camden - Using a route restricted to certain vehicles; local buses & cycles only - URGENT
« on: July 27, 2025, 06:13:46 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on July 27, 2025, 04:42:18 pm
Can we get back to registering an appeal.

The trigger for the tribunal is the date of issue of the NOR, not the date of an email copy.

The authority re-offering the discount has NO effect on the tribunal's timetable or the regulations.

Register your appeal NOW or risk losing your opportunity and therefore by default £160.
OK.

So should I appeal in line with my challenge that from my riding position looking at the traffic light on the right handside of the road I wasn't aware of any prohibition type on certain vehicles due to inadequate signage and cite the 3 allowed appeal cases.
EDIT: Add something highlighting that other bus gates on the same road do have signs on both sides of the road, like at Great Russell Str & Store Street)
(GSV: https://maps.app.goo.gl/NoumFjzn68ZWxHFHA & https://maps.app.goo.gl/GDYUCYdAqCLHbVh29)

Add to that, there is no other form of 'advance notice' of the timed prohibition as the signage the council have included in their NOR being beyond the point where the prohibition begins making it at that point unsafe to change direction of travel (even if you see it as it is high up and angled slightly inwards)  e.g. if a bus was behind you.

Also the picture of the left hand side traffic light with left blue arrow (also included with the NOR)  directing all traffic to turn left into Howland Street before the prohibition begins. This is both misleading and conflicting because; The blue arrow instructs all traffic except busses and cycles to turn left 24/7 while the Council claims the prohibition on cetain vehicles being allowed to travel straight ahead applies only between 8am & 7pm.

- Can the alleged '33H' contravention even occur due to the turn left blue arrow which applies to all vehicles (except bus & cycles) 24/7 on the traffic light before it?

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