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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: 3 x Single Justice Procedure notices
« on: July 07, 2026, 08:18:50 am »
Quote from: MoMoS on July 06, 2026, 08:12:52 pm

Whilst undertaking his employment as a courier, my friend has received 3 speeding notices resulting in 3 single justice procedure notices (S172 camera detected offences) for speeding...


S172 covers the duty to identify the driver of a vehicle.
Do the SJPNs refer to speeding and/or failure to identify the driver?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP for Not reporting an accident
« on: July 02, 2026, 03:33:09 pm »
At the moment he is required to name the driver under S172, so he must do that and then wait to see what the police do next. They may just leave it to the insurers to sort out, so he should inform his insurer.

As driver details were not exchanged at the time, your husband was required to report the accident.

As an accident occurred, no NIP is required, so any inaccuracy in the time is irrelevant.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP / S172 - Ship Lane Bridge - Purfleet
« on: May 01, 2026, 10:37:09 am »
Quote from: DH23 on April 30, 2026, 09:12:59 pm
To my knowledge there are no speed signs there, or if there are, they are new, and a friend who visited there this evening mentioned that apparently there are no longer cameras there.

Google Street View from August 2025 shows 50 mph repeaters, a system of street lighting, and an average speed check zone.

If you didn't see the 50 mph repeaters, you should have assumed that the street lights indicated a restricted road with a 30 mph limit.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Speed ticket Court attendance vs pleading guilty by post – impact on fine and outcome?
« on: March 27, 2026, 08:33:54 am »
If the speed is too high for a Speed Awareness Course or COFP,the 2 factors that will affect the level of fine are how far over the limit you were, and your weekly income.
The fine will be a percentage of your weekly income, with a discount for an early guilty plea.

In effect, it won't make any difference to the fine whether you attend in person or allow the Single Justice Procedure to run its course.

If the speed is so high that the single Justice is considering a ban, you will be notified to attend in person.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Speeding Ticket on Highway at 5:00 in the morning
« on: December 19, 2025, 11:18:38 am »
Quote from: BertB on December 19, 2025, 10:16:50 am

Quote from: nivby on December 19, 2025, 10:03:26 am
I already have 6 points so accepting this will bring me to 9 - dangerous zone



When was the conviction date for the other points?

When the OP mentions "dangerous zone", I think he's referring to the fact that if he ends up with 9 points, he would be in danger of totting in future. I don't think he's referring to a DD40, DD60 or DD80 endorsement. So surely it would be the offence dates that matter, not the conviction dates.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: 47 in a 40 mph zone in South Wales
« on: May 22, 2025, 07:40:40 am »
You should be offered a course, as long as you haven't done one in the last 3 years.
It will cost around £100, but there won't be any penalty points.

There is no point in giving any context, as it won't make any difference to the outcome.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Speeding offence
« on: November 20, 2024, 04:38:07 am »
The request for driver identification should be answered within 28 days. Otherwise a more serious offence is committed.

The clocks went back to GMT on 27 Oct, so if the offence was committed "well before the clocked [sic] changed" you may have already missed the deadline.

If the time on the photos clarify that they are in GMT, then, IMO, it doesn't provide you with a defence, regardless of whether the offence was committed during BST or GMT.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: 31 in 20: NIP/172, driver confirmed, no comms for 5 months - SJPN now received!
« on: November 20, 2024, 04:13:33 am »
The Speed Awareness Course is now gone, unfortunately. That settlement is not available to the court.

The best option for your wife now would be to plead guilty and ask to be sentenced at the Fixed Penalty level, as a COFP was offered, but couldn't be accepted due to administrative reasons unrelated to the offence.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: SJP, and now Collection Order for failure to provide driver info - i never received any NiP!
« on: November 13, 2024, 08:19:40 am »
Your vehicle registration hasn't been redacted on the Statement of Facts.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP received following Police stop
« on: November 08, 2024, 11:10:19 am »
Quote from: swanny65 on November 08, 2024, 10:53:14 am
Got the NIP from my friend, although it does not say Notice of Intended Prosecution. It says Conditional Offer. Are they different.


Yes, a Notice of Intended Prosecution is different from a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty.
This is why it's not a good idea to post on someone else's behalf.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Wrong body type on NIP
« on: November 07, 2024, 04:16:56 pm »
The cloning of vehicles isn't that common, but when it does occur, the 2 vehicles are usually the same make, model, body type, and colour.

Far more likely is either a plate misread, or a mistake on the NIP. Request the photos.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Wrong body type on NIP
« on: November 07, 2024, 03:38:15 pm »
Were you driving your car at the location and time stated on the NIP?
If you were, the chances of a clone of your car being at the same location, at the same time, are extremely remote.

Quote from: Hitz on November 07, 2024, 01:32:18 pm
Even if I receive photos of a saloon car with my registration I doubt I could identify the driver, as I assume that would be someone random.

Asking for photos to help identify the driver is just an excuse to get your hands on the photos. In your case you want them so you can identify whether it's your car, or not. Even if you were driving, it's unlikely that you would be identifiable in the photos.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Wrong body type on NIP
« on: November 07, 2024, 12:47:57 pm »
No. If it turns out to be your car, fill in the S.172 request confirming you were driving, and the process will continue as normal.

Be aware that requesting photos doesn't stop the 28 day clock to reply.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Wrong body type on NIP
« on: November 07, 2024, 12:16:52 pm »
Ask for any photos to help you identify the driver. If they are provided, you'll be able to confirm whether it's your car, or not.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP returned by Post office
« on: September 25, 2024, 08:29:14 am »
Quote from: GCM on September 24, 2024, 11:00:06 pm
I did just that but sent an email instead with the form attached. I have received confirmation today that they have received the form and it has been actioned.

I would also physically send the signed form.

More knowledgeable members will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think an emailed copy of the form would be admissible as evidence of you being the driver. 

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