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I empathize with you.

I have learned from here the following plan of action:
1. Without revealing identity of driver to the Private PCN issuer, try to get it cancelled via the establishment you were a customer of, this option is long past for you at this stage.
2. If #1 is not working, post the NtK (Notice to Keeper) picture here and wait for advise. In majority of cases, this notice isn't PoFA compliant (Google or search posts here for details) which means if they don't know driver they can't have keeper liabile. So the advise is to refuse sharing driver identity, challenge as a keeper only and force them to cancel PCN.
3. If most cases, they still cancel the appeal made as per #2 (as they don't even read appeals and only care about ££) but they will give you POPLA code. So in that case get a draft from here and without driver identity you very likely succeed at POPLA.

In your case #3 is also already past.

Now if your feeling you are in the right you have no option but to wait as you can't appeal or challenge this at this stage.

After 28 days have past you will start getting intermittent letters from DCBL or similar company for £170 payment. These would sound scary and will try to threaten you to pay. They have no power, don't waste your time on them and don't engage with them as they are only interested in your money and nothing else.

Eventually, they will either discontinue sending these letters (in my case from before I learned about this forum they did) which is win OR you will get a " Letter before action" or some actual legal document. That's when you would need to respond/defend and you can come here for advise then. I have been told here that even if you lose eventual court hearing (which might not even happen) you would only pay £100 and not £170 as DCBL will threaten you with. So I suppose best advise now is to wait and learn a lesson to post NtK here if you get one again.

More knowledgeable people can comment/correct me on above please.

Best wishes.

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is it safe to select "other" as the answer for both these?

I will add reference to 9(2)(f) as advised, anything else to add or a draft appeal would be very useful.

Thanks always

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Hello helpful people,

I as keeper of the said vehicle recieved the following PCN from Bridgepam by post:


Thereafter, I appealed as the keeper with the following text:
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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.
The photos you have shared span over a duration of less than 2 minutes and visibly show that the vehicle's hazard lights flashing indicating it was a mere stop rather than parking. Less than 2 minutes is too less for the driver to be assumed to have agreed to the contractual terms displayed near by.
As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge.
Besides other shortfalls, as an example, your NTK fails to "state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" so it is not complaint with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4, paragraph 9, clause 2(e).
Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. BridgePam has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.
The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. You have no hope should you be so stupid as to try and litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

They first sent me an email asking me to confirm the identity of the driver and following my refusal along above lines have reject my appeal as per below letter:



Venue signage:



Now I need to appeal this on POPLA, which likely gets rejected but I need some help in selecting correct option on the website (it is allowing to select multiple options and then it's trying to trick me to select sentences starting with "I.. " to imply driver identity possibly.




Please advise what options I should select here and what text I should use in my draft appeal to POPLA. Many thanks in advance as always

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Thanks guys, I have responded with the following and will now wait. Cheers

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The provided notice remains non PoFA compliant.

It does not matter how many times the operator claims compliance - continued claim of compliance does not magically make the required mandatory wording appear.

Besides other shortfalls, the requirements of Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e) are not met by the operator's NtK - the required mandatory wording MUST be present in order to be compliant - the requirements of PoFA are legally 'tight' and partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient.

Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e) The Notice MUST state "that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" - I invite NPC to specifically point out the mandatory wording.

Otherwise, they should either withdraw the PCN completely or have it rejected later by IAS or the court if they so please.

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Checking here if any tips, should I add any arguments here or let it sit? I imagine it goes for adjudication by IAS either way and my appeal is probably rejected either way, but wanted to cover all bases.

Many thanks in advance.

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Hello all, please advise on the below NtK, I have already appealed as "keeper" which NPC have rejected. My argument is resting on their NtK not being PofA compliant primarily. Please advise what I should say here as a response before IAS start their arbitration process. There are few bits of evidence from NPC uploaded on IAS website which I haven't added, please let me know if I need to. I think original NtK is the most important evidence and that is attached below.

Many thanks in advance as always.

Thanks,

Please see original NtK:




My initial appeal:
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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge.

Besides, other shortfalls, as an example, your NTK fails to "state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" so it is not complaint with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4, paragraph 9, clause 2(e).

Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. NPC has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. NPC have no hope should you be so stupid as to try and litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

NPC rejected, then I appealed to IAS:
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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)-(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator's obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA renders keeper liability unenforceable. Besides other shortfalls, as an example, the NTK fails to "state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" so is not complaint with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4, paragraph 9, clause 2(e). Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There has been no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. NPC has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only. The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency.

5. Strict proof that the NtK was posted in time for it to have been given within the relevant period. The PPSCoP section 8.1.2(d) Note 2 requires that the operator must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)

6. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers”. Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.

NPC response:

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The vehicle was recorded by the ANPR camera entering the car park at 10:01 and exiting at 11:33.
At the time of parking, the vehicle did not hold a valid e-permit.

Photographic evidence has been provided to support this statement.

All drivers are required to hold a valid e-permit in order to park in this car park.

Clear signage is displayed throughout the area, outlining the terms and conditions for parking.

A screenshot from the e-permit logs confirms that the vehicle did not hold a valid e-permit on the date of the contravention. Please note that physical windscreen permits are not used at this location.

The appellant states that our NTK is not PoFA compliant. I have therefore attached the original NTK as evidence that it fully complies with PoFA requirements, and have also attached the certificate of postage to demonstrate that it was sent out correctly.

We note that the appellant also states that the signs within the car park is not clear, I have attached photos showing clear signage withing the area.

My response:
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NPC do NOT know driver identity and still seems to indicate me as the driver in their response.

Driver identity shall not be revealed and cannot be assumed.

Partial or even substantial compliance with PoFA is not good enough, the NtK isn't fully compliant and hence there is no keeper liability.

Last message from NPC
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We note the comments made by the appellant, however our Notice To Keeper clearly states that "if, after the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which the Notice is given:
(i) the amount of the unpaid Parking Charge specified in this Notice has not been paid in full, and (ii) we do not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, we will have the right to recover from you".

As the appellant has not named the driver, we have the right to recover from them

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Private parking tickets / Re: NPC Parking Charge, IAS appeal rejected
« on: January 23, 2026, 05:21:54 pm »
The IAS assessor is once again deliberately miss stating Elliot v Loake in order to project his false narrative.

The IAS assessor is deliberately seeking to circumvent the requirements of PoFA.

Many thanks, I thought so as well. But of course there is no option to challenge them at this stage. My plan should be wait till the eventual Letter of Claim? or anything else before that?

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Private parking tickets / NPC Parking Charge, IAS appeal rejected
« on: January 23, 2026, 03:46:02 pm »
I the keeper of the vehicle received an NtK from NPC back in November. I appealed it to NPC as keeper which they rejected. Subsequently, I appealed their rejection to IAS whose rejection has come in today. (Was awaiting adjudication with ias since 8th December)

So next step is to ignore all NPC or debt collector letters? Till I get a "Letter of Claim" or is there something else I should do right now in the meantime.

I am attaching relevant bits here for context.
Many thanks in advance, for all advice as always.

Original NTK:



Venue Signage:



My appeal text to NPC after initial PCN is as follows:
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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge.

Besides, other shortfalls, as an example, your NTK fails to "state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" so it is not complaint with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4, paragraph 9, clause 2(e).

Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. NPC has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. NPC have no hope should you be so stupid as to try and litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

My appeal text to IAS, sent 6th December:
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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)-(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator's obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA renders keeper liability unenforceable. Besides other shortfalls, as an example, the NTK fails to "state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" so is not complaint with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4, paragraph 9, clause 2(e). Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There has been no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. NPC has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only. The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency.

5. Strict proof that the NtK was posted in time for it to have been given within the relevant period. The PPSCoP section 8.1.2(d) Note 2 requires that the operator must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)

6. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers”. Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.

Adjudicator's Decision

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The adjudicator made their decision on 22/01/2026 13:59:03.

The Appellant should understand that the Adjudicator is not in a position to give legal advice to either of the parties but they are entitled to seek their own independent legal advice. The Adjudicator's role is to consider whether or not the parking charge has a basis in law and was properly issued in the circumstances of each individual case. In all Appeals the Adjudicator is bound by the relevant law applicable at the time and is only able to consider legal challenges and not factual mistakes nor extenuating or mitigating circumstances. Throughout this appeal the Operator has had the opportunity consider all points raised and could have conceded the appeal at any stage. The Adjudicator who deals with this Appeal is legally qualified and each case is dealt with according to their understanding of the law as it applies and the legal principles involved. A decision by an Adjudicator is not legally binding on an Appellant who is entitled to seek their own legal advice if they so wish.

In all Appeals the burden of proof is the civil one whereby the party asserting a fact or submission has to establish that matter on the balance of probabilities. If the parking operator fails to establish that a Parking Charge Notice was properly issued in accordance with the law then it is likely that an Appeal will be allowed. If the parking operator does establish that a Parking Charge Notice was properly and legally issued then the burden shifts to the Appellant to establish that the notice was improperly or unlawfully issued and if the Appellant proves those matters on the balance of probabilities then it is likely that the Appeal will be allowed. However the Appeal will be dismissed if the Appellant fails to establish those matters on the balance of probabilities. The responsibility is at all times on the parties to provide the Adjudicator with the evidential basis upon which to make a decision.

The NTK has been sent to the Keeper within the 14-day time frame as required by POFA and, therefore, the Operator has complied.

The Appellant accepts that he was the keeper of this vehicle but is not willing to name the driver. In the case of ELLIOTT v LOAKE in 1982 the principle was established that in the absence of sufficient evidence to the contrary the keeper of a vehicle is assumed to be the driver of that vehicle at the time of an incident such as arises in this Appeal. The burden of proof is then on the keeper of the vehicle to prove on the balance of probabilities that he/she was not the driver at the time of the incident. In this case such evidence has not been provided by the Appellant to establish that he/she was not the driver and therefore this the Appellant is presumed to be the Driver.

A number of images have been provided to me by the Parking Operator which shows the signage displayed on this site as well as the contravention images showing where the Appellant's vehicle was parked on this occasion. After viewing those images I am satisfied that the signage is sufficient to have brought to the attention of the Appellant the terms and conditions that apply to parking on this site, specifically, the signage is clearly located along the road at which the Driver is parked. I am satisfied the Driver was parked in breach of the terms, namely without holding a valid permit as required.

The appeal is, therefore, dismissed.

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Private parking tickets / Re: NPC Notice to Keeper parked on pavement
« on: November 29, 2025, 12:19:31 pm »
Okay, all good info.

But in your earlier post it is clearly stated that the appeal was conceded due to 'Landowner Intervention' - I was just interested to know the reasons for that intervention.

Yes, I copy pasted from the IAS page about "Landowner Intervention". I had also heard from residents in the area that things haven't been rosy between Landowner and NPC (outside of my experience) which could be a factor or as B789 says IAS could have simply made up something, I do NOT know.

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Private parking tickets / Re: NPC Notice to Keeper parked on pavement
« on: November 28, 2025, 10:04:07 pm »
Did you personally contact the land owner?

I did NOT. I copy pasted the text shared kindly by B789 with minor edits.

Usually IAS appeal allows operator to upload further evidence and appelatant to respond and so on, till both have nothing more to add. Then they evaluate the appeal. In this instance instead of adding any "evidence", the operator apparently simply withdrew, I am not 100% sure why, maybe they have seen their success rates have dropped to 0% when B789's magic is at work, I am only guessing.

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Private parking tickets / Re: NPC Notice to Keeper parked on pavement
« on: November 27, 2025, 10:14:13 pm »
Sharing another winner update here. Thanks guys, NPC gave up even before IAS could review the appeal.

Appeal Status
Operator Conceded
The Operator conceded this appeal due to Landowner Intervention.

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Claiming money? For what?

For the anxiety, distress and inconvenience caused due to unwarranted use of personal information which was shared in confidence.

The swapped appointment meant license and ability to drive was delayed by 1.5 months. It was at a lesser desirable time of the day (heavier traffic and poorer light) , also meant a family member had to take time off work as search for another instructor wasn't successful.

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Just checking here if anyone here had any tips on claiming money or complaining/reporting about this fraudulent behavior ?

Police has written back that they won't be persuing this after assessing the seriousness while DVSA is acting as per their protocol as well.

Is there another forum where a GDPR complaint can be raised?

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Private parking tickets / Re: NPC Notice to Keeper parked on pavement
« on: November 18, 2025, 06:16:03 pm »
I have got the following expected rejection:
Please share a draft for the IAS appeal, many thanks in advance.

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Private parking tickets / Re: NPC Notice to Keeper parked on pavement
« on: November 01, 2025, 09:48:12 am »
I have appealed as keeper and choosing the above option with the following text:

Quote
I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge.

Besides, other shortfalls, as an example, your NTK fails to "state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver" so it is not complaint with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, schedule 4, paragraph 9, clause 2(e).

Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. NPC has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. NPC have no hope should you be so stupid as to try and litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

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