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Is the NTO in your name?

I would be more direct.

The contravention did not occur as the restriction only applies during time time, and term had finished earlier that day as the school confirms.

The evidence for this is...

Yes, in my name. Thanks for the advice. I'll give that a go.

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Hi All, thanks for your help thus far. Finally received the NTO. I believe the 28-day deadline would end 15 Jan 2026.  Please can you help. Here is my proposed challenge (which I used for the appeal previously - originally using links and not attachments, but now including attachments):

To Whom It May Concern
The driver believed the no stopping sign with specified times applied only
during term time. Their sons finished school early that day, see attached proof.  Based on the fact the term had ended, enforcement could not apply according to the order.
 
Although term time isn’t stated on the sign, it’s illogical to enforce such specific
Times year-round when school isn’t in session. Research revealed the Harrow
(Prohibition of Stopping Outside Schools) (Amendment No. 1) Traffic Order 1998,
which confirms the restriction applies during term time only (see attached).

The sign contradicts the order by implying year-round enforcement. Therefore,
The PCN should be cancelled.

If not, please provide the Traffic Management Order that supersedes the 1998 one
and explicitly authorises all-year restrictions, rather than relying on misleading
signage.
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What have you done regarding the lease company? Do you even know what their practice is on receipt of a NTO?

The ticket was left on the car - so there was no opportunity for them to contact the Lease company. I just appealed directly on the website.

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You didn't post a draft - you should have copied the school's term info and then said as the term had ended enforcement could not apply according to their order.

All you have is a template rejection.

You can write to them now spelling this out to try and head off the NTO or paying.

Sorry, I should of explained. I posted the school terms info with proof that it closed early that day.

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Sadly, Harrow rejected the appeal I wrote:

Here's their response:

The 14-day discount period will end Friday 26 September.
Please can you help.

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Is it 'hired' or is it 'leased'?

Unfortunately, the issue is fundamental, not incidental, because, as already stated, should your informal reps be rejected and the matter progress to a NTO this would be sent to the hire/lease company and then you're in their hands.

So, let's get the best informal reps as we can compiled.
Actually, it's a lease.

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Amazing research! Thank you all. When you say OP, are you referring to me? Additionally, the car is a hire vehicle. Let me know if that changes anything?

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You have redacted the PCN and VRM details.
The PCN details are shown in the image. Here it is again (in case you can't see it): IY00136465
Sorry, I didn't show the VRM (wasn't too sure what to show). It's LL24 GYO.
Thanks

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Hoping you can help. I parked my car outside my son's school to help with offloading, picking up for his last day. School finished early so I thought the parking hours weren't applicable.








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At this point do I need to respond again?
Yes, pointing out any flaws in their evidence. We'll need to see it if you want our help.

Additionally, Horizon have reached out to me again with a Notice to keeper. Is that expected/ correct?
They shouldn't once you've appealed to POPLA - what date did you submit your POPLA appeal?
I appealed to POPLA on Sunday 18th May. It seems like they issued their reminder on Saturday 17th May but I didn't receive it until after I issued the POPLA appeal. Saturday is not a typical office day, so doesn't that sound suspicious?

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Hi all, I've submitted my case to POPLA and they have responded. At this point do I need to respond again?


Additionally, Horizon have reached out to me again with a Notice to keeper. Is that expected/ correct?


Thanks

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The amount outstanding on the PCN is £80.00, and will increase to £160.00 on Mon, 19 May 2025. Please pay £80.00 now.

Date is wrong.

Highlighted in red are wrong/inappropriate.

In bold limits to theft.

The contravention did not occur
I was not the owner of the vehicle at the time the contravention occurred
The vehicle had been taken without the keepers consent (i.e. it was stolen)
We are a hire firm and will provide details of the hirer
The PCN exceeded the amount applicable
The PCN has been paid
I am a key worker

I wish to make representations about this PCN for other reasons

Thanks for the feedback, although I am a little confused about what you advised and what to say. Please could you clarify? One thing I forgot to mention: the PCN was addressed to my Mum as she's the keeper of the car, but it was my dad who was driving.

Please could you help clarify? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks

Hi, any clarity would be much appreciated.

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You have 33 days from the date of the appeal rejection. So, you have almost another week.

Why not do a search of other POPLA appeals on here and put something together yourself and post it here before you send anything and someone can advise you if you need to add, change or delete anything from it.

Hi there, I originally looked through previous posts to write the appeal but I can take another look. Please let me know why you say I have 33 days when Horizon have stated 28 days? Thanks

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Hi all...as I approach my last day is there anyone that can provide assistance?  Many Thanks

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The amount outstanding on the PCN is £80.00, and will increase to £160.00 on Mon, 19 May 2025. Please pay £80.00 now.

Date is wrong.

Highlighted in red are wrong/inappropriate.

In bold limits to theft.

The contravention did not occur
I was not the owner of the vehicle at the time the contravention occurred
The vehicle had been taken without the keepers consent (i.e. it was stolen)
We are a hire firm and will provide details of the hirer
The PCN exceeded the amount applicable
The PCN has been paid
I am a key worker

I wish to make representations about this PCN for other reasons

Thanks for the feedback, although I am a little confused about what you advised and what to say. Please could you clarify? One thing I forgot to mention: the PCN was addressed to my Mum as she's the keeper of the car, but it was my dad who was driving.

Please could you help clarify? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks

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