I've got an interesting scenario to bring to the table...Yes, they can issue a NIP. Probably unlikely that they were monitoring speeds in the opposite carriageway, but your careless/dangerous driving may have drawn their attention.
I was traveling South on the A1, at this stage of the journey I'd not long joined the A1 from the Edinburgh City Bypass. All of the journey was done with cruise control set to 60 or 70, where applicable.
There was one stretch of dual carriageway (possibly before Haddington, but I can't be 100% sure) where a line of cars were all doing 60-65mph in the outside lane, leaving the inside lane completely free as far as the eye could see. I got slightly agitated (silly on my part) and went back into the inside lane, where I applied some gas to pass the line and then return to cruise speed. As I approached the front of the line, I caught sight of a marked Volvo SUV sitting at an observation point on the opposite side of the road. I reacted immediately and slowed down, but I'm fairly certain my peak speed was 90mph. No attempt was made by them to turn around and pull me over, but I think I'm right in saying they can still issue a NIP to me via post?
It's possible they weren't even monitoring speeds and were simply just having a break or doing a multitude of other things, right? What's the likelihood that I've been done?
Here's a professional recreation courtesy of Paint.NET: https://i.postimg.cc/zJCFm2KG/reconstruction.png
Getting fed up with lane hoggers sitting in the outside lane for no good reason, however, that doesn't excuse or permit a few seconds of agitated driving. I'm hopeful that, as it was only a few seconds of acceleration followed by a return to cruise speed, I'm off the hook. I know undertaking is a divisive subject, and I wanted to clear their blind spots and get past the backlog of slow-moving cars in the incorrect lane as quickly as possible.
I've got an interesting scenario to bring to the table...Yes, they can issue a NIP. Probably unlikely that they were monitoring speeds in the opposite carriageway, but your careless/dangerous driving may have drawn their attention.
I was traveling South on the A1, at this stage of the journey I'd not long joined the A1 from the Edinburgh City Bypass. All of the journey was done with cruise control set to 60 or 70, where applicable.
There was one stretch of dual carriageway (possibly before Haddington, but I can't be 100% sure) where a line of cars were all doing 60-65mph in the outside lane, leaving the inside lane completely free as far as the eye could see. I got slightly agitated (silly on my part) and went back into the inside lane, where I applied some gas to pass the line and then return to cruise speed. As I approached the front of the line, I caught sight of a marked Volvo SUV sitting at an observation point on the opposite side of the road. I reacted immediately and slowed down, but I'm fairly certain my peak speed was 90mph. No attempt was made by them to turn around and pull me over, but I think I'm right in saying they can still issue a NIP to me via post?
It's possible they weren't even monitoring speeds and were simply just having a break or doing a multitude of other things, right? What's the likelihood that I've been done?
Here's a professional recreation courtesy of Paint.NET: https://i.postimg.cc/zJCFm2KG/reconstruction.png
I've got an interesting scenario to bring to the table...Yes, they can issue a NIP. Probably unlikely that they were monitoring speeds in the opposite carriageway, but your careless/dangerous driving may have drawn their attention.
I was traveling South on the A1, at this stage of the journey I'd not long joined the A1 from the Edinburgh City Bypass. All of the journey was done with cruise control set to 60 or 70, where applicable.
There was one stretch of dual carriageway (possibly before Haddington, but I can't be 100% sure) where a line of cars were all doing 60-65mph in the outside lane, leaving the inside lane completely free as far as the eye could see. I got slightly agitated (silly on my part) and went back into the inside lane, where I applied some gas to pass the line and then return to cruise speed. As I approached the front of the line, I caught sight of a marked Volvo SUV sitting at an observation point on the opposite side of the road. I reacted immediately and slowed down, but I'm fairly certain my peak speed was 90mph. No attempt was made by them to turn around and pull me over, but I think I'm right in saying they can still issue a NIP to me via post?
It's possible they weren't even monitoring speeds and were simply just having a break or doing a multitude of other things, right? What's the likelihood that I've been done?
Here's a professional recreation courtesy of Paint.NET: https://i.postimg.cc/zJCFm2KG/reconstruction.png
You could check your driver record with the DVLA online and see if there are any endorsements added for the period the V5C documents were incorrect.
You could unwind the conviction back to prosecution stage. Far too late to provide details. So you’d either plead guilty (and happily, they will often drop the s 172 if you plead guilty to the speeding) or defend the charges (difficult).
QuoteIs this correct?
For all practical purposes, yes.QuoteI thought I only had to update my drivers licence!
Well, now you know.
Is this correct?
I thought I only had to update my drivers licence!
QuoteAm I right in assuming if a civil case has found my new address within 3 weeks then a criminal one would too, or sooner?
No.
Am I right in assuming if a civil case has found my new address within 3 weeks then a criminal one would too, or sooner?
I was caught speeding in a hire car in Italy in May 2023, with an unexpected fine sent through in Feb 2024. I duly paid it (and have proof of payment from my bank). I thought nothing more and then a year later started being chased for non- payment (May 2025). I sent proof of payment( bank statement from HSBC) promptly but got no response. I have just received a letter from a UK claims recovery organisation claiming I owe £600 in fine and cost. As a point of principle, I won’t pay the fine again. If they don’t drop this, escalate costs and we go to court, what is the likely view of a judge, if I can show a statement with my payment to the correct account. I have communicated promptly every time but return communications have been slow/non-existent.There's very little chance you'll hear any more about it. there's no way foreign motoring fines can be enforced here.Don't worry, be happy.
Will the system flag an offence between cameras B and E?No. (Average speeds are only calculated for A to B and B to C and D to E and E to F)
Date of offence is Day 0 when counting for NIP so it’s 14 days from day following the date of offence.No, its "within fourteen days of the commission of the offence" [Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, s 1(1(c))].
My mother is the holder of a blue badge and parked on double yellow lines. No kerb markings the assumption being she has up to three hours parking.
The local Authority uses a camera car and patrols the area. The council web site states that the car fitted with ANPR can be used to issue PCN on double single yellow lines, bus stops etc.
Perhaps they have not explained that they can only issue the notices when vehicles are parked on yellow lines when kerb markings are in force. Anyone have any observations on this matter as she is having a bit of a panic. Definitely no kerb markings but the camera drove past the parked car.
What are you telling us here? That you think you went though a 50mph section at 66mph? Assuming that's what the 'average speed camera section' means, at 66mph you will be eligible for a COFP inviting you to invest £100 and receiving 3 points on your licence in exchange. At 64mph you would be eligible for a speed awareness course.
You admitted you were speeding at 60mph when the 50mph display was lit.
Thanks, and incidentally regarding the camera, would that work on both carridgeways? ( not just both lanes but traffic travelling in both directions ( all 4 lanes)- considering it actually flashed and wasnt infra red which I read the truvelo forward facing ones are).
Thanks again.
I don't think they work on both carriageways, but others may know better.
AFAIK the infra-red is a myth: it's a conventional flash with a magenta filter. Wikipedia confirms that, so it must be true ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truvelo_Combi
Thanks, and incidentally regarding the camera, would that work on both carridgeways? ( not just both lanes but traffic travelling in both directions ( all 4 lanes)- considering it actually flashed and wasnt infra red which I read the truvelo forward facing ones are).
Thanks again.
Both times I travelled down here I noticed it flash someone- the second time I suddenly became paranoid it was me. I instantly looked down at my speedometer which was at approximately between 41 and 42, for reference the limit here is 40. Its a new car but doesn't have a digital Speedo, so I assume they still might overread by 1 or 2 MPH?
Your speedo almost certainly over-reads. In any case, no action would normally be taken for speeds below 46 in a 40 limit.
BTW digital speedos are not intrinsically more accurate than analogue ones. Precision is not the same as accuracy. A £5 digital watch may be more precise than a £10,000 analogue Rolex, but it's unlikely to be more accurate.
Both times I travelled down here I noticed it flash someone- the second time I suddenly became paranoid it was me. I instantly looked down at my speedometer which was at approximately between 41 and 42, for reference the limit here is 40. Its a new car but doesn't have a digital Speedo, so I assume they still might overread by 1 or 2 MPH?
The details on my V5C are correct. I should rather have asked: will a parking ticket be sent? I'm confident that if one is sent, then it will be sent to me.Driver parked at Chiswick Sainsbury's (London W4 5UT) from 3pm to 3.30pm and from 3.55pm to 4.00pm. Maximum stay in the car park in 2 hrs, no return within 1 hr. Here's the sign from the car park: https://imgur.com/a/tVL0lkp .We can't possibly know.
I'm the registered keeper. Will a parking ticket be sent to me?
If one is indeed sent, it should certainly be to you (though there is no limit to the incompetence of the parking companies). Are your details on the V5C correct?
Driver parked at Chiswick Sainsbury's (London W4 5UT) from 3pm to 3.30pm and from 3.55pm to 4.00pm. Maximum stay in the car park in 2 hrs, no return within 1 hr. Here's the sign from the car park: https://imgur.com/a/tVL0lkp .We can't possibly know.
I'm the registered keeper. Will a parking ticket be sent to me?
For the sake of completeness, I contacted Herts who do look after that section via the live chat andQuoteOn our systems I cannot see any notices linked to this vehicle
On our systems I cannot see any notices linked to this vehicle
Google AI produces this (which may or may not be accurate)
AI Overview
Flashed by speed camera on M25 about a month ago but ...
Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) for offences detected by cameras on the M25 are issued by the police force responsible for that specific section of the motorway. For the majority of the M25, this is the Metropolitan Police and Essex Police. In some areas, other forces like Kent Police may also be involved.
Elaboration:
Jurisdiction: The M25 is divided into different sections, and each section is policed by a specific force.
Metropolitan Police: Covers the section of the M25 within Greater London.
Essex Police: Covers the section of the M25 within Essex.
Kent Police: May be involved in the section of the M25 that passes through Kent.
FPN Issuance: When a camera detects an offense (e.g., speeding, running a red light), the police force responsible for that area will investigate and, if appropriate, issue an FPN.
Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP): Before an FPN is issued, a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) is typically sent to the registered keeper of the vehicle within 14 days of the offense.
Fixed Penalty Notices: If the offense is minor and the driver is eligible, they may be offered the option of attending a speed awareness course instead of receiving points on their license and a fine.
Types of Cameras: The M25 uses various types of cameras, including static speed cameras, average speed cameras, and cameras for detecting other offenses like driving through a red 'X' on smart motorways.
1. 10% plus 2 mph is not tolerance, it is the (guideline) starting point for action. If you insist on thinking of a tolerance, it is 10% plus 1 mph.
2. By law, speedometers may not under-read. Unless it is faulty, an indicated 56 may be a true speed of 55 or less, but not 57 or more.
Just some preliminery advice
Late one evening recently, I drove through a temporary 50MPH speed limit on the M25 in surrey. I was doing 56MPH according to my digital display speedometer. I had cruise control on for 56MPH as I didn't want to annoy lorries who like to go at this speed or faster. A camera on the gantry flashed twice as I passed. I know it must have been at my car as my car was the only one going through at that time. Am I likely to hear anything? I have heard that just because a camera flashes, it doesn't necessarily mean that a photo is taken and also even if a photo is taken, if speed is deemed within a possible grace/tolerance margin, once again it might not follow that the driver will be necessarily pursued? Just interested to what others think at this stage.
Tolerance is usually spoken of in terms of 10% of speed limit or 10% + 2 m.p.h., to allow for inaccurate speedometers. So for 50m.p.h. limit an actual speed max of either 55 m.p.h. or 57 m.p.h.
But surely it works both ways? If your speedo is set/showing 56 m.p.h your actual speed could be up to 10% in excess of this?
Just some preliminery advice
Late one evening recently, I drove through a temporary 50MPH speed limit on the M25 in surrey. I was doing 56MPH according to my digital display speedometer. I had cruise control on for 56MPH as I didn't want to annoy lorries who like to go at this speed or faster. A camera on the gantry flashed twice as I passed. I know it must have been at my car as my car was the only one going through at that time. Am I likely to hear anything? I have heard that just because a camera flashes, it doesn't necessarily mean that a photo is taken and also even if a photo is taken, if speed is deemed within a possible grace/tolerance margin, once again it might not follow that the driver will be necessarily pursued? Just interested to what others think at this stage.
All in the last three years, April, May, July 2023.
Another thing, if I said I was on my mobile phone at the time, could I request the awareness course
What does TRO stand for?
If the sign is smaller then 600mm
Another thing, if I said I was on my mobile phone at the time, could I request the awareness course
What are the dates of the previous offences?
You can also check the local council for the TRO, which would be required for a permanent or temporary introduction of a new limit.
There's a 40 road which for the last few months has implemented a 30 section across the traffic light junction, which is where the camera is. I completely forgot and made no attempt to slow down, camera flashed. I am on 9 points, and have done a speed awareness course in the last 3 years.What are the dates of the previous offences?
In regards to signage what size do the signs have to be? Is it possible that I could get a reduced sentence if I used this as a defence?
Would appealing it on the grounds of an honest mistake likely get me a reduced sentence?Only by going down the NG route and putting your 'appeal' to the Mags.
When you receive an NIP, apart from the evidence they provide, what evidence should I ask for?There is no requirement to provide evidence with the NIP, it is simply a request for drivers details. Some forces will send you a link to view images of the offence. What would you do with any evidence at NIP stage?
Thanks, have done a little research today, and think I'll be able to appeal as falling under the grace period, if anything does in fact come of it.
Parking Tariff
Monday - Sunday
Up to 15 mins: Free Parking
Up to 2 hours: £3.50
Up to 4 hours: £5.50
Up to 9 hours: £9.00
Up to 24 hours: £13.00
Any help is much appreciated.Until you actually receive a NIP the rest is crystal ball gazing.
Speed Camera: Traffic Light Camera
Nearest Town/Village: Cheetham Hill
Road Name: Queens Road
Direction of enforcement: Westbound
Speed Limit: 30mph
Camera reference number: NWGM116
If you do receive anything in the post and ask for advice regarding a live case, please try to tell us what actually happened without making things up. Your thread title, posted in the live cases forum before it was merged with the "Have I been caught?" thread was "2 speeding tickets within 2 days" - whereas you have not received any speeding tickets, regardless of how loosely you define the term.
We don't care what motoring faux pas you committed or are accused of committing that resulted in you seeking our advice, but we do care whether you show abject contempt for us by lying to us.
a)...carry more wait with the magistrates
b)...just help with HOW to make the arguments
no it wasn't, he actually said they WERE guidelines but were now disregarded by every police force I'm the country. this was just one example of a couple of hours of bull sh!t the bloke came out with to justify his fee.
So that will be what your muppet was going on about, although he wasn't quite correct in the way that he said it.no it wasn't, he actually said they WERE guidelines but were now disregarded by every police force I'm the country. this was just one example of a couple of hours of bull sh!t the bloke came out with to justify his fee.
In law, breaking the speed limit is an "absolute" offence
there have been some spurious articles claiming this but are not genuine.
I was told by amuppet"teacher" at a SAC that there's "no such thing anymore" and went on to name a police force that doesn't exist.
there have been some spurious articles claiming this but are not genuine.So does it depend on the day, the Police Force and how the Officer is feeling?
I was told by amuppet"teacher" at a SAC that there's "no such thing anymore" and went on to name a police force that doesn't exist.
You read it somewhere but you can’t remember where, isn’t a great source.Ever failing memory sadly! I should have posted about it at the time. Even if it was last week I wouldn't be able to recall it.
No, it’s not enshrined in law and never has been.
Is this still the case? I read somewhere, cannot recall where, that these allowances had changed?
Sure there is something enshrined in legislation somewhere whether that be this or some revision.
You won't get a NIP unless your average speed was 57mph or higher as per the usual convention of only charging if your speed was (speed limit + 10% + 2mph).
I saw a sign warning of a 50mph speed limit enforced by average speed cameras and started decelerating for that. At that point, my speedo was an indicated 59mph (I think), which showed on Waze as being 57mph (GPS speed). I didn't brake to decelerate, I just took my foot off the accelerator and let it slow down that way. I think I was down to an indicated 52mph by the time the 'national speed limit' signs appeared. This stretch of average speed cameras was far shorter than I expected, which is why I didn't brake to slow it down further.
why are you worried that you won't receive the NIP??
be aware your speeds indicated speed will in fact be around 2-3mph more than you're actual speed.
Have I been caught? seems to have all sorts of different issues mixed together. I keep getting notifications but they are not part of my thread
I am, of course, assuming that they need to issue within 14 days in these instances?
28 days I believe, but wait for the experts.
I am, of course, assuming that they need to issue within 14 days in these instances?
Missus has just bloody called me after realising that she had driven down Canal Street in Nottingham going east to west.
I know it’s a bus lane and she said she didn’t not see any signs.
Funnily enough she was doing to Boots Opticians to collect her glasses!!!! :D
Not sure if she made a formal appointment and she obviously paid for her test and glasses the other week when she went. I’d doubt it’s a defence as not being able to see is far worse.
I think it’s only reading glasses she requires. I’ll check.
Had a search for Canal Street and only find results for all the cash it has generated.
Is it worth fighting when it arrives? She’s looked up costs already and apparently £35 if paid within 21 days. Hopefully that is within 21 days of receipt of NIP as we are away next Tuesday for 16 days.
Could have done without this but if it’s not worth fighting then it’s not worth fighting.
Will probably go and take photos of approach anyway just in case it helps others in future.
Have I been caught? seems to have all sorts of different issues mixed together. I keep getting notifications but they are not part of my thread
Thinking this one out - I have done in a closed lane (accepted) but I am now thinking a closed lane, by default, cannot have a speed limit (other than the designated limit for that classification of raid). Thus, the only offence can be driving in a closed lane.The flaw in your argument is that the posted limit applies to thee whole carriageway, not just the lanes above which it is displayed.
...is there any defence of restrictions being in place for no reason?
as this is not a live case it's in the wrong forum and needs to be moved to "have I been caught"
it may have been a badly organised community speed check group.
you could contact plod and ask who it was.
The above car park is monitored by ANPR and customers are required to sign in on a tablet to ensure that they are genuine.
Last evening the driver went to the pub for a meal with a number of guests and due to the turmoil of Xmas eve forgot to sign in upon arrival .£140 spent and during the meal remembered had not entered registration number. Spoke to a member of staff who stated as long as this was carried prior to leaving car park this would be ok.
As anyone had experience of this type of issue and outcome. I will return to the car park to see if it specifies you have to enter registration number upon arrival
Get a grip - this is a minor traffic misdemeanour.Exactly. It is not a murder trial, and your worst outcome is having to pay the full PCN penalty of £130.
Update this thread if you get a PCN.
One thing you can do is check the V5C logbook has the correct address.
My message has somehow been moved into Flame Pit. I do not know why.It will have been moved here as it does not (at this stage) pertain to a live case, as you have not received a PCN.
Get a grip - this is a minor traffic misdemeanour.Exactly. It is not a murder trial, and your worst outcome is having to pay the full PCN penalty of £130.
Update this thread if you get a PCN.
One thing you can do is check the V5C logbook has the correct address.
eventually I increased my speed above 50mph as I was terrified of being rear ended by faster trucks
Assuming your estimate of speed is correct, best tip to get lower than 6 points would be to fill in the request for drivers detail asap and receive a fixed penalty of 3 points & £100. Or you could try to delay things again for as long as possible, then delay the court date for a bit longer, argue it out at court, get maybe 5 points instead of 6 and a fine (c) 125% of your weekly wage, but at least you will have won.
From the image what would you guys assume the speed limit was bearing in mind it's a 3 lane carriage with a 30mph road sign on the exiting side road.(https://www.ftla.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FA59+https%3A%2F%2Fmaps.app.goo.gl%2FNx7g2Mfq7hkfRJMd8%3Fg_st%3Dac&hash=7bce23af2781e22f60568e0fe09dea8defc65883)(https://www.ftla.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FA59+https%3A%2F%2Fmaps.app.goo.gl%2FNx7g2Mfq7hkfRJMd8%3Fg_st%3Dac&hash=7bce23af2781e22f60568e0fe09dea8defc65883)140
thanks for any input.
Yes and no. Those are the words of the legislation, but case law often clarifies what those words actually mean.
A NIP is served when it is delivered, which is deemed to be 2 working days after properly posting by first class post, unless the contrary is proven.
The case law for the latter is Gidden v Chief Constable of Humberside
My post generally arrives between 8am and 3pm which would make it a pain.
My belief is the day of the offence is day 0.
Just answered my own questionThat summary of the law is (as is often the case) wrong. The notice must be SERVED (i.e. delivered), not "sent" within the 14 days. See Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 section 1.
Notice of Intended Prosecution
Section 1 Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 ['RTOA 1988'] provides that a defendant cannot be convicted of certain road traffic offences set out in schedule 1 RTOA 1988 unless they have been warned that the question of prosecution would be considered. Such a warning is normally known as a "notice of intended prosecution", or NIP.
A notice of intended prosecution can be given:
either orally or in writing at the time the offence was committed. The warning need not be specific but must refer to one or more of the offences to which section 1 RTOA 1988 applies. Whether a warning was given "at the time" is a question of degree. The High Court will not interfere with a Magistrates' Court finding on that point if there is evidence to support it.
by serving the defendant with a postal charge requisition (‘PCR’) or single justice procedure (‘SJP’) notice within 14 days of the offence; or
by sending within 14 days of the alleged offence a notice indicating the possibility of prosecution. The notice must specify the nature of the alleged offence and the time and place where it is alleged to have been committed, and must be sent to the driver, registered keeper of the vehicle, or rider of the cycle.
Sending is not the same as receiving. So I suppose you have to provide 2 more days for receiving it
???
How is postie going to be able to confirm the contents of an unopened envelope ?
You could accost the the postie and open in their presence for example.
The NIP must be served on the RK within 14 days, i.e. by today. Failure to do so is indeed a good defence: your problem will be proving it.
NB A late NIP does not invalidate the related s172 request, which has no time limit: you (or rather your wife) must respond to that regardless.
The NIP must be served on the RK within 14 days, i.e. by today. Failure to do so is indeed a good defence: your problem will be proving it.
It's a fair way into the 40 zone, albeit on a steep downhill stretch of road. There are warning signs and it is reasonably obvious. Whenever I have been that way, which is fairly often, everyone seems to knows about it as they're all careful to slow down for it. The Argus article linked to is very old, so may be different now. Though it's also one of the routes to Goodwood, so could well catch a lot of irregular travellers there as they drive their sports cars to the Festival of Speed or Revival.
Question is, did it flash when you passed it? 51 on the speedo is probably high 40's in reality, and the 10%+2 rule shows enforcement starting at 46.
I was on my way to Goodwood FoS, 1st time on that route. There is significant overgrowth, but not using that as a defence. Yes, it flashed as I passed it. I do not except any worse than 3 points + fine, most likely speed awareness course. My question was about the 14 day rule. if I exceed 40 mph, it is a summary offence. If they do not send the the NIP within 14 days, surely same rules apply and it is a credible defence?
It's a fair way into the 40 zone, albeit on a steep downhill stretch of road. There are warning signs and it is reasonably obvious. Whenever I have been that way, which is fairly often, everyone seems to knows about it as they're all careful to slow down for it. The Argus article linked to is very old, so may be different now. Though it's also one of the routes to Goodwood, so could well catch a lot of irregular travellers there as they drive their sports cars to the Festival of Speed or Revival.
Question is, did it flash when you passed it? 51 on the speedo is probably high 40's in reality, and the 10%+2 rule shows enforcement starting at 46.
Got snapped in a 40 mph zone, my speedo showed 51 when I looked at it and braked.It's a fair way into the 40 zone, albeit on a steep downhill stretch of road. There are warning signs and it is reasonably obvious. Whenever I have been that way, which is fairly often, everyone seems to knows about it as they're all careful to slow down for it. The Argus article linked to is very old, so may be different now. Though it's also one of the routes to Goodwood, so could well catch a lot of irregular travellers there as they drive their sports cars to the Festival of Speed or Revival.
Camera on the A286 Haslemere at around village of Fernhurst.
Seems a favourite spot and seems to catch out a lot of people, especially since not too well seen.
Have you actually looked at the V5C and confirmed that?Yes
Are you the actual Registered Keeper? Are the details on the V5C correct?
Six months to prosecute for most summary offences.Does the 14 day NIP limit apply? Unless the cops know the driver's face I'd assume the photo won't be enough and they'd need to issue a s172?
Six months to prosecute for most summary offences.Does the 14 day NIP limit apply? Unless the cops know the driver's face I'd assume the photo won't be enough and they'd need to issue a s172?
I’m not going to risk court if I got an offer because I agree that it’s too much of a risk to take in terms of a fine. I certainly cannot afford a massive fine like that.
I’m not going to risk court if I got an offer because I agree that it’s too much of a risk to take in terms of a fine. I certainly cannot afford a massive fine like that.If the police were to consider it driving, then presumably they could also charge you for the seat belt offence.
However, I was at the side of the road, hand brake on. I wasn’t even wearing my seat belt as I took it off. I was indicating for safety (although it appears that isn’t in the Highway Code) but the engine was on.
I don’t see how that can be considered driving. But I’m not risking it equally.
The only issue here is the fact I had the engine on.
From my perspective I wasn’t driving.
I was indicating the side I was parked on.OK, maybe the guy was simply baffled by your use of the indicators (contrary to the Highway Code*) , and wanted to post it up on the internet for amusement.
I was indicating becuase I didn’t want someone to come along and not see me even though I was very visible I was being safe.
Because it was an empty road and I was being extra safe as the engine was on.Sorry, what exactly were you indicating?
There are quite a lot of older people who live around here and I’m not totally confident that they are the best drivers so I thought I’d indicate to be safe.
I didn’t need to indicate. And I didn’t need the engine to be on. But both were because I stopped to adjust the camera for a short time.
I was parked in my car, hand brake engaged and indicating that I was by the road. But the engine was on.
I was in a residential street near my house. I was adjusting a go pro using my phone to check what I could see.
I wasnt moving, or attempting to move.
I noticed someone walking their dog taking photos or maybe a video of me. At first I thought nothing of it. But as I lifted my phone to check the angle I then saw him get his phone out again. I don’t know for sure he was taking photos of me. But the fact that he seemed to be hanging around and taking them suggests he was doing that.
Now it may be that he thought I looked suspicious or something like that but I can’t help but think it was the fact I was in the car holding my phone. So if he was someone who happened to like reporting people for using their phone in the car am I in trouble?
Did leaving my engine running mean I’m going to get lots of points even though I was parked, indicating and had the hand brake on?
You will have to wait and see what comes through the post. It might be a good time to get out the V5c and make sure it has the correct address. Or if the vehicle is leasedor similar that they have you correct address.
Whether you committed an offence depends on whether what you were doing is driving. Or rather whether you want to defend a charge on the basis you were not.
Speeding plus getting flashed doesn't necessarily mean the camera has captured enough information for you to get a NIP. If they don't have 2 clear photos showing the white lines in the road, they don't have enough evidence.
Any advice or experiences please as I'm sh*tting myself!
I have done two speed awareness courses in the past. On one of them I was discussing the speeds needed to trigger speed awareness & prosecution with the instructor. He advised me that speed limit + 10% + 2mp over the limit would trigger a fpn and that provided you were between this and speed limit + 10% + 9mph you were eligible for speed awareness.
So I rarely speed at all these days, the exception being on the motorway, where I would ensure my speed did not exceed 75mph.
I have done several motorway journeys recently without any issues at all.
Saturday night driving South on the M1 from Nottingham I was sitting with the cruise control on 75 mph, it's smart motorway with the HADECS cameras at the side of the gantries. Initially, no problems, passed cameras without issue as usual. Somewhere around the Northamptonshire border, I saw a flash as I passed one it didn't really register at the time as I was doing 75 and didn't think I could possibly have triggered it and put it down to cars behind me. I've then gone past another camera and thought again there was a flash but didn't seem very bright and there were other cars around. By now I'm getting wary and on approaching the next camera, I've taken the cruise control off and slowed to 72 maybe 73mph, no other cars around, almighty flash as I pass the camera.
Has anyone had any experience of getting caught and issued tickets at these speeds on the motorway? Have camera tolerances been lowered? I've driven these roads before many times without issue. Is there any other explanation? I am concerned I may have tripped multiple cameras in a row and will receive multiple fixed penalty notices even though it was the same stretch of road I assume they will just treat them as separate offences?
Any advice appreciated. Thanks
Does that mean that if no warden came to detect this then precisely no contravention was committed.No, it means no contravention was detected.
HIIf we're talking about England and Wales or Scotland, a PCN could only be issued by an officer at the roadside. In Wales, it could be a camera but it would be more likely to be a camera car than a hidden camera, parking enforcement cameras cost at least £50k and they're not going to stick one in a bush just to monitor a single bay.
If a loading bay is intertwined with a resident permit holder's bay which was free when the driver went there but hurriedly parked in loading bay having no timing for about 12 minutes. It was the day of sunday evening after 6pm so do you guys think that if no warden was perambulating there by that time then no contravention have committed. Or there might be an hidden camera installed somewhere in trees or walls. In above scenario typically how the PCN is issued either by post or by warden on the spot.
Surely the other option was to brake?
You can meet the postman each day at the door.
True, but more a a defence to a FTF charge than nothing at all surely?So, if it does get delivered, try and get some 'evidence' from e.g. the postman or at least have a daily paper or somesuch in shot as you open it.But the date of opening is not necessarily the date of service, and certainly not evidence of the latter.
So, if it does get delivered, try and get some 'evidence' from e.g. the postman or at least have a daily paper or somesuch in shot as you open it.But the date of opening is not necessarily the date of service, and certainly not evidence of the latter.
QuoteAre the authorities still expected to issue NIPs within 14 days even if there are public holidays in between
It must be served within 14 days. The statute makes no provision for Bank Holidays. It is presumed served two working days after posting.
Are the authorities still expected to issue NIPs within 14 days even if there are public holidays in between