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Hi,

They have rejected my representation, pleas find the details attached below:

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Please could you advise of next steps, are they any chances of fighting it out or should i just pay this?

Their letter is the usual tosh we see so often. They keep referring to CPZ signs

A Permit Parking Zone cannot be part of a Controlled Parking Zone. All a CPZ does is control the restriction hours of single-yellow lines within the zone. So if this PPZ has no supporting traffic order, then PCNs for parking without a permit within it are void. The CPZ entry signs give no hint of a PPZ.

In fairness, they seem to have erected repeater signs as well as the entry signs. Frankly the only way to get a proper decision is to take them to London Tribunals, but you first would have to wait for the Notice to Owner, submit your reps again, but this time enhanced from our advice here. Once rejected again, you then can register an appeal at CC. Of course, you have to risk the full PCN penalty there.

You're getting ahead of yourself. This is still the informal stage, pl see the enforcement process here:



As I posted earlier, they were bound to reject because they're in charge at present, they're stupid and money-hungry: what a lethal combination!

Anyway, IMO wait for the NTO and let's hope they mess up with this as well.

You are the registered keeper with current DVLA details?

Thanks for clarifying, my main worry here is, i have the option of paying £80 now which i will not have if i decide to contest this and it will become £160. I know for sure they will reject my formal reps and it will go to LT. At that point, if i need to take help from the experts here to represent, i might have to pay for their invaluable time which if it comes to £50-£60, i might as well pay £80 now and save all this pain for me and others.

You're getting ahead of yourself. This is still the informal stage, pl see the enforcement process here:

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process

As I posted earlier, they were bound to reject because they're in charge at present, they're stupid and money-hungry: what a lethal combination!

Anyway, IMO wait for the NTO and let's hope they mess up with this as well.

You are the registered keeper with current DVLA details?

I meant not being successful at formal representations, I know I might win at adjudication level. I was trying to understand the cost involved once I reach the adjudication stage.

and dvla address is correct so that is all good.

More often than not the discount is re-offered even after unsuccessful reps.

Why would you think you would not be successful at adjudication, their reasoning is total nonsense?

IMO, the contravention occurred based upon the on-street facts i.e. unmarked length of highway within a Permit Parking Area whose entrances are marked with prescribed traffic signs.

Procedurally, as far as we know the authority doesn't have any PPA signs in evidence and seems to be relying upon the location being within a CPZ.

I would make reps based upon the simple facts that you parked on an unmarked length of carriageway, that you were served with a PCN alleging a contravention associated with a parking place and that the authority's argument as stated in the response to your informal representations relies upon the location being within a Controlled Parking Zone which, as the authority should know, does not restrict parking other than on marked waiting and loading restrictions.

You are now confused because the authority's argument does not support the contravention, but despite this the PCN has not been cancelled.


Wait for others.

Hello Experts,

I think the date by which I have to make a representation for this is 19/05 or 20/05, if someone could help me draft it please so it can be filed in time.

Thanks