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Re: Havering Bus Lane - New Road / Phillip Road RM13
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2024, 06:54:26 pm »
Thanks both.
AM I correct that I select - there no breach if asked for reason for representation on web site ( first option on the paper PCN making representation section ) - thank you

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Re: Havering Bus Lane - New Road / Phillip Road RM13
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2024, 06:56:21 pm »
Yes. And the text could be added in a pdf.

There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: Havering Bus Lane - New Road / Phillip Road RM13
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2024, 09:15:44 pm »
Thank you

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Re: Havering Bus Lane - New Road / Phillip Road RM13
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2024, 11:05:12 am »
They will probably reject as they are short of cash so just get back to us.

Videalert is the only camera with a VCA certificate for bus lane contraventions in Havering. I surmise this is why they produced none for the cited case.

I am honoured, though, as the FOIR person thinks I am the leader of the council.  :o
« Last Edit: September 05, 2024, 11:53:53 am by Hippocrates »
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: Havering Bus Lane - New Road / Phillip Road RM13
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2024, 02:07:19 pm »
Thanks I will go ahead and submit my representation

For info looked up where I was going that day and realised ( I don't the area) - that i was about to turn left. Can't 100% sure if into PHillip Road or next left but clearly you can't just vere off the main road to turn. Looked footage as as it ends you can see my left indicator on. I'll be guided by you whether I should mention this or not thank you

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Re: Havering Bus Lane - New Road / Phillip Road RM13
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2024, 02:19:35 pm »
Just send my draft verbatim.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: Havering Bus Lane - New Road / Phillip Road RM13
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2024, 02:33:30 pm »
Will do thank you

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Re: Havering Bus Lane - New Road / Phillip Road RM13
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2024, 08:38:34 pm »
Just to update that the challenge, appeal , representation ( they seem to use all 3 terms) has been lodged and I will update on the outcome as soon I am informed.


Thanks again for the assistance in getting to this stage.


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Re: Havering Bus Lane - New Road / Phillip Road RM13
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2024, 11:28:01 am »
I have two other bus lane cases with them. Please screenshot all pages of their website for future reference.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: Havering Bus Lane - New Road / Phillip Road RM13
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2024, 12:27:36 pm »
Thanks I have got PDFS of the pics, downloaded the video and have PDF showing the A - I grounds etc and well as one with general appeal info. Anything else I need to make sure I have please let me know and once again thanks for your help. Have a great weeekend.