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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2024, 12:37:13 pm »
OK - here's a redraft on that basis.  I disagree that

Hi guys just an update I have received the letter from Rddbridge Council as they rejected my representation please see the links for letter and and notice of appeal aswell. Can you please have a look and let me know what are the chances now. Thanks in Advance
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https://ibb.co/chk8k6x
https://ibb.co/S3hSJyW
https://ibb.co/vHcDqZ8
https://ibb.co/NTCFzcz
https://ibb.co/RQLnxkY
https://ibb.co/sRdjtd3
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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2024, 12:59:00 pm »
No access.
Put the images of the rejection on say Imgur or IBB.co and post the BBCode share links.

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2024, 12:59:55 pm »
Clearly there was no contravention.

OP: did you screenshot the challenge page as there is a wording issue with it?
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2024, 01:25:02 pm »
No access.
Put the images of the rejection on say Imgur or IBB.co and post the BBCode share links.


Hi Sorry I don't what is the issue why you guys can't see the images.

Here is links for IBB images


https://ibb.co/chk8k6x
https://ibb.co/S3hSJyW
https://ibb.co/vHcDqZ8
https://ibb.co/NTCFzcz
https://ibb.co/RQLnxkY
https://ibb.co/sRdjtd3
https://ibb.co/cXm5jB0

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2024, 01:27:44 pm »
Clearly there was no contravention.

OP: did you screenshot the challenge page as there is a wording issue with it?

I did and pictures was attached at original post please find the links with letters regarding PCN and also the rejection letter for my representation thanks

https://ibb.co/chk8k6x
https://ibb.co/S3hSJyW
https://ibb.co/vHcDqZ8
https://ibb.co/NTCFzcz
https://ibb.co/RQLnxkY
https://ibb.co/sRdjtd3
https://ibb.co/cXm5jB0

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2024, 01:30:47 pm »
They've ignored the challenge and the law - that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.

No brainer to appeal this to the tribunal.


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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2024, 01:40:45 pm »
I meant this: https://imgur.com/Fy1WEBc

If you would like me to represent you please drop me a PM.  They may well DNC of course as they are legislatively-challenged, if that is a phrase!

Our usual advice: personal hearing, I rely upon my formal representations and will file full submissions upon receipt of the council's evidence pack. Not a Thursday, preferably Mon to Wed.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2024, 01:42:36 pm by Hippocrates »
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2024, 02:17:54 pm »
They've ignored the challenge and the law - that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.

No brainer to appeal this to the tribunal.



So according to their rejection statement you think we can win in tribunal?
Also I might need help with making representation in tribunal as I have never done it before and I live actually up north so can't physically come on hearing.whats the best advice you would give. Thanks

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2024, 02:28:35 pm »
I meant this: https://imgur.com/Fy1WEBc

If you would like me to represent you please drop me a PM.  They may well DNC of course as they are legislatively-challenged, if that is a phrase!

Our usual advice: personal hearing, I rely upon my formal representations and will file full submissions upon receipt of the council's evidence pack. Not a Thursday, preferably Mon to Wed.

Thanks for your time and suggestions
Here is the pictures of my representation sent to council

https://ibb.co/9WSWJFC
https://ibb.co/27zLjsX
https://ibb.co/QHYX2z0

So if you can guide me with next steps and what are the chances at tribunal by independent Adjudicator like if we can win at tribunal stage. Also I live near Blackburn so it's not possible to attend physically at tribunal to defend. If you  an advice further regarding best option to consider will be much appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2024, 04:19:48 pm »
I always attend in person. You can attend by phone. They have failed to consider and misconstrued the law. I believe evreyone on here agrees to take it to the Tribunal.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2024, 04:41:33 pm »
I always attend in person. You can attend by phone. They have failed to consider and misconstrued the law. I believe evreyone on here agrees to take it to the Tribunal.

That's sounds reassuring that I stand a chance in tribunal. I have sent you DM @Hippocrates so if you can have a look  please that will be appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2024, 08:57:53 pm »
I have replied via PM.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2024, 10:14:56 pm »
I have replied via PM.

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I have replied your DM please have a look and let me know if its OK to contact you and we can discuss it further. Thanks

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2024, 10:37:02 pm »
Got it thanks. Game on. I will file the appeal for you.
There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.

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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι εἰ

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Re: Ilford lane redbridge Yellow box junction PCN
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2024, 11:32:02 pm »
Doubt they'll contest this when they look at the video properly.