Author Topic: Good day! Tell me how to stop the fines and open a decision through the court?  (Read 49286 times)

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Uh-oh. The rejection letter posted relates to PN3987672A. It is a rejection of your informal representation against the PCN.

The letter explains that if you don't pay a Notice to Owner will be issued.

It seems you didn't pay and so a Notice to Owner for the full penalty of £130 was issued. This was sent to the Registered Keeper of the vehicle as held by the DVLA. In this case you are the RK. You didn't pay the NTO or submit a formal representation challenging it.

The matter then escalated, as previously described, to where you are now. Please confirm that you have the same letter for the other three PCNs?

Please confirm that you did not write again to the Council when you received the Notices to Owner? For all four PCNs.

I assume you didn't and it was a mistake not to submit formal representation (challenge) against the NTOs as the matter escalated to where you are now. Since you did not challenge you did not receive any Notices of Rejection of your formal representations and without NoRs you cannot appeal to the Independent Adjudicator.

You also cannot get the processes reset via a Witness Statement because you did not submit formal representations against the NTOs.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2025, 01:16:20 am by Enceladus »

what is NTOs? I responded to all their statements. I asked to stop all cases until the court decides, I asked to send me a form for a decision through the court, I send them evidence that the parking lot is without signs. I responded to them and wrote appeals. In response, they only asked for money! Where should I go, who should I write to, what should I do so that only the court will consider this case and stop it now?

NTO = Notice to Owner. You've posted up four of them. £130 each.

PN3987672A 20/11/24 = date of notice
PN39795559 26/11/24 = date of notice
PN39833603 27/11/24 = date of notice
PN39781678 27/11/24 = date of notice

You should have either paid them before the deadline or you should have submitted a formal representation against each of them before the deadlines. Instructions to that effect are included on the NtOs.

So far as I can make out you didn't submit representations or make payment of the NtOs. So each NTO escalated to the Charge Certificate stage, you have four of those. And when the CCs weren't paid they in-turn escalated to the Order for Recovery (of unpaid penalty charge) stage, where you also have all four notices.

Is the above incorrect? Did you write to the Council about each of the above NTOs, if so please post up what you sent or filled in on line? And the dates you submitted?

Concerning the paid PCN for the vehicle removal. You've told us you filed in a formal representation against the tow and sent it registered post. And you have had no reply. But when does the tracking say the letter was delivered?
« Last Edit: March 08, 2025, 12:51:36 pm by Enceladus »

I immediately sent an appeal for the theft of my car. I proved that all the fines were illegal, I sent a photo where you can see that the car is parked near 2 poles on which there is not a single sign! But animals work there who fine their own mother for the sake of 65 pounds for beer! I uploaded a photo of the trucking and evidence that they received it on 23.10. 2024. I ask again, who can help? I responded to all their statements. I asked to stop all cases until the court decides, I asked to send me a form for a decision through the court, I send them evidence that the parking lot is without signs. I responded to them and wrote appeals. In response, they only asked for money! Where should I go, who should I write to, what should I do so that only the court will consider this case and stop it now?

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in the appeal for the theft of the car I wrote = I HAVE BEEN DRIVING FOR 35 YEARS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE BEEN FINED IN AN OPEN PARKING LOT WITHOUT A SINGLE SIGN. I CHALLENGE  THESE FINES, I WROTE APPEALS, I ASKED TO STOP THESE FINES UNTIL THE COURT'S DECISION, I ASKED TO SEND ME DOCUMENTS FOR THE COURT TO CONSIDER THESE CASES, THEY TOOK MY CAR FROM ME AND FORCED ME TO PAY 265 POUNDS, I WROTE AN APPEAL FOR THE THEFT OF MY CAR, AND I DID NOT RECEIVE A SINGLE ANSWER ON A SINGLE POINT! SEND ME A DOCUMENT TO HAVE THESE FINES REVIEWED IN COURT!


Unfortunately you appear to have misunderstood the parking restrictions.

The spaces are covered by the local parking zone which has signs as you turn into the street - any bay not signed is subject to these rules ( in your case it needs a PN permit). The bay across the road is signed because it has different regulations - it allows pay parking. This is pretty much as the council has responded - and any further appeals (e.g. To the tribunal) would likely have come to the same conclusion.

in this country there are 10 different signs for parking 2 meters for each car, for 20 minutes, for 30 minutes, disable, payment by phone and others... 4 meters from the car there is a sign and the outline of the parking space! the sign that is 200 meters behind a 90 degree turn does not prohibit parking with 2 posts and without signs! this is done on purpose, I have seen 1000 similar options! perhaps such signs only work in closed spaces and not on a simple driveway! that is why I want only through the court! if the court is corrupt, then I will file 1000 appeals! I ask again how to go to court? Who can give real help? Where should I go, who should I write to, what should I do so that only the court will consider this case and stop it now?

Did you, or did you not, submit representations against the four Notice to Owners ? If you did, please post-up one of their replies rejecting your representation. We cannot possibly help you if you don't help us
Once again, can I emphasise that there is NO COURT !  What there is, is an adjudication office, in London called  London Tribunals. This is not a court, but comes under the Justice ministry, and deals with all parking and traffic PCNs in London if the recipients of those PCNs register an appeal to them.

Appeals can only  be registered once the council has previously rejected representations against a Notice to Owner.
Sorry but the bottom line is if you don't follow the process, you'll lose; it's that simple.

OP, I posted on page 1:

As matters stand, you don't have a defence against PCN along the lines you've been arguing: the parking place doesn't have markings...because these aren't allowed in a PPA where the parking restriction applies to the permit holders specified in the gateway signs. PLEASE forget about the 4 PCNs.

And I say it again.

Finally - page 4- you actually posted a letter from the council.

As far as I can see you are correct in that the contravention did not occur, but not because of your reasoning i.e. no sign = unenforceable restriction.

Go back to the definition of a PPA:

....where any parking place within that area reserved for the use of the permit holders as indicated on that sign is not shown by markings on the road (whether or not an upright sign is placed next to, or near, such a parking place to indicate that only the permit holders in question may use the place)

I have highlighted the relevant part.

The last GSV shows that this parking place was NOT reserved to PN permit holders, it was shared use.

IMO, shared use falls outside the definition of a PPA and any such parking place within such an area must be marked* and signed.

Wait for the views of others.

*- markings don't have to be lines, they may be contra-coloured surface treatment or similar, just so that the area is differentiated from the main carriageway.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2025, 11:07:46 pm by H C Andersen »

... SEND ME A DOCUMENT TO HAVE THESE FINES REVIEWED IN COURT!

As many others have told you, the courts are not involved in this process. There is no magic document that will change this well established process that everyone has to go through.

We are trying to help you, and it seems you may have a good point, but you need to follow the proper legal process, and we can't help you do that without seeing exactly where you are in the process. If all you do is keep shouting about courts, the inevitable end of the process is Bailiffs arriving at your house and taking away goods to cover ever increasing fines.

Please help us to help you, by posting the documents we need to see.

On page 4 I posted the last 2 there is a form for 205 pounds to fill out PN39833603 205 PN3987672A 205! Help me how to fill it out correctly and how it will help me.

the main thing is how to stop this process so that these animals don't steal my car before the tribunal!

The only PCN I'm interested in is the one which resulted in a tow.

You say you made reps, but when and how?

You might get to the council via the back door i.e. that if you were to get to tribunal and win regarding the tow then you would be able to go back to the council via non-parking channels and get the others cancelled irrespective of where they are in the process because they are based upon the same facts.

If you keep going on about 4 PCNs to the exclusion of the tow and your reps then I can't see any hope for you as regards these channels.


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