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Pl post J, their Case Summary and the traffic order which would be in their evidence. We should see exactly what the adjudicator will see.
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Traffic Management Order

TMO 2012 No.128.pdf
Google Docs · drive.google.com


TMO 2012 No.128 (2).pdf
Google Docs · drive.google.com
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Where are the Schedule, specifically that part related to this estate, and have the authority highlighted in the Order the provision(s) which you're alleged to have breached?
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I missed these items from Category B the case summary.

As for highlighting any order provisions that I have allegedly breached, I'm not sure.
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Does anyone have anything to add before the tribunal?
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Where's the provision which creates and defines the prohibition of 'obstruction'.

The Case Summary is insulting: the photos are not self-explanatory (as regards showing obstruction'), they simply show a car parked. ONLY by reference to a provision in an order which is then conveyed by clear signage on site could they begin to prove a contravention of 'causing obstruction'.
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Some adjudicators think that entry sign signifies an off-street car park. It doesn't as it's what's used in an on-street permit parking area. There is no mention of off-street/estate parking.
Is my take. 
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Even if, in theory, the entry sign signifies an off-street car park, surely that wouldn't matter as there would still be terms & conditions of use required to be signposted in order for a motorist to know what they are supposed to have avoided, will result in a penalty
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I'm saying that you need to head of any thought that there is any signage relevant to the alleged contravention and in the case summary Southwark flatly denies the PPA sign is a PPA sign.

I think the main issue you have is where they say you should be well aware you need to park in marked bays.

Make alist of the all the issues to ebsure you flag them all with the adjudicator if needs be.

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Edit.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2026, 09:59:17 am by tincombe »
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Does anyone know the process of inviting observers to the tribunal?

edit: i think it might be too late now anyway
« Last Edit: June 10, 2026, 07:47:03 pm by ILoveCats123 »
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As far as I know, you are entitled to be accompanied by a friend at the adjudication, but this friend is there to observe only. However, I'm not totally up-to-speed on this aspect so wait a bit for others to chime in.
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Council said they'd turn up but didn't.

I explained my appeal grounds to the best of my ability.

Should get a decision next week.
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I had a look at the appeals register for the same location out of curiosity.

There are only two cases, and it seems as though one adjudicator believes it to be an off-street car park, whereas the other doesn't.

The allegation in this case is that the vehicle was parked in a permit bay in an off-street car park without clearly displaying a valid permit.

I have looked at the CEO's images. These show that Ms Delgado's car was parked on double yellow lines on the carriageway and not in a car park. Whilst the road may be part of the estate, it is not a car park.

I don't think it matters in any case though, does it, as if the adjudicator does interpret the area as off-street, then there was still no Terms & Conditions present, and if the adjudicator interprets it as on-street, then the PCN is void as the alleged contravention is an off-street contravention?

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