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Hello,

I hope someone can take a look at this one:
i parked in London, on Bedford Way, near Russell Square this weekend.

The parking sign had a blue P, a picture of a bus and instructions of how to pay for parking underneath.
I paid for 2 hours' parking via the Ringo App - £26.50.

When I came back I had a parking ticket.

This is the sign:
https://imgpile.com/p/ttHXZnd



Thanks in advance.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2025, 10:55:22 am by User334129 »

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Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.


I presume you misread the sign as being buses in addition to others instead of only buses?






Yes, that's what happened. There are no markings on the road to say 'buses only' and there are no other signs.
I assumed that buses could park there for free and everyone else has to pay. i paid via RingGo, using the code for the place and there were no warnings - obviously, i'm registered with RingGo as owning a car.

In the Traffic Signs Manual, CHapter 3, there are no examples of this type of sign or what it could mean, and I think a reasonable person would assume that they could park there.

I can't see a case I'm afraid.

Manual says:

“Pay and display” signs may include the symbols in S4‑5 where parking is of a specific type.

Symbols include bus.

Camden has a bus P&D traffic order for two bays outside the hotel, and the tribunal decision below indicates you'd be on a loser.

You can of course try an ask for discretion - what was the reason for parking?

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Case reference 2250076661
Appellant Amir Khan
Authority London Borough of Camden
VRM WN18 HSF
PCN Details
PCN CU69301877
Contravention date 14 Dec 2024
Contravention time 12:27:00
Contravention location Bedford Way
Penalty amount GBP 130.00
Contravention Parked - place not designated for class of vehicle
Referral date -
Decision Date 06 May 2025
Adjudicator Carl Teper
Appeal decision Appeal refused
Direction Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons
The Appellant has not attended. They were notified that the hearing would take place today at 12:15pm by correspondence dated 5 March 2025.

I considered adjourning the appeal but decided that it was not in the interests of justice to delay the hearing of this appeal further.

The Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked in a parking place not designated for that class of vehicle (buses only) when in Bedford Way on 14 December 2024 at 12.27.

The Appellant's case is that the location appeared to be a pay to park bay for motor vehicles.

I have considered the evidence and I find that the Appellant's vehicle was parked in a parking place not designated for that class of vehicle (buses only) when in Bedford Way on 14 December 2024.

The definition of a bus is to be found in the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 and reads as follows: "bus" means a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to carry more than 8 passengers (exclusive of the driver),

I find, as a fact, that the Appellant's vehicle is a motorcar and it is settled law that a motorcar is not a bus.

Further, I find that the signage at this location is compliant with the regulations and indicates the restriction. The fact that the Appellant paid to park there is not a defence or an exemption.

Payment may well have been taken, however, it does not follow that the parking payment app knows what motor vehicle is being paid for or where the location actually is.

All such matters raised by the Appellant go to mitigating circumstances, which have been considered by the Authority they do not raise an exemption or a defence.

The Adjudicator decides appeals by making findings of fact and applying the law as it stands. The Adjudicator has no power to quash a penalty charge on the basis of mitigation submitted.

The appeal is refused.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2025, 03:48:50 pm by stamfordman »

@stamfordman  - if I check https://myringgo.com/parkinglocator with the location code from the timeplate - rinngo tells me the bays are for “Vehicles permitted: Any”
As the OP used ringgo, could this be an appeal angle?
« Last Edit: November 10, 2025, 04:42:33 pm by ohno1 »

That is a good point although on the mobile app it doesn't say that. It does though allow you to buy parking for a non-bus using the bus bay location code, but I don't think that's useful as parking apps are not coded for vehicle type I think, just a VRM, but when you add a vehicle Ringgo does check what it is - make at least - so this is poor by them.