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I’ve appealed against two traffic offences (unpaid ULEZ, parking in a taxi rank) committed within Birmingham City Council’s (BCC) jurisdiction. The car was still registered to me as its keeper when the offences were made, although I no longer owned it and was not the driver when the offences were committed.

Both BCC and now Traffic Penalty Tribunal (TPT) have rejected my appeals against these. I understood when making my appeals that I was the registered keeper, which rendered me liable for the offences committed in it by the new driver. That I was the registered keeper was not contested in my appeals; yet was stated as the reason for rejecting them. I don't think they read them.

My appeal rested on mitigating factors that explain the car remaining registered to me after I had sold it. Neither BCC nor TPT took any of them into account when explaining their reasons to reject the appeals.

Here, as I explained to them in mitigation, is why I was still the registered keeper after selling it:

Background: The car was stolen from outside my house and then recovered by the police. Their insurance assessors then classified it not economically viable to repair and marked it a Category N vehicle. I opted for them to return it to me so that I could sell it for scrap.

Other items had been stolen from it: toys, a wallet, the glove compartment had been emptied and documents in it violated, including the V5C, of which remained only its front sheet - the form to complete the transfer of ownership was discarded with other items.

I advertised it on a scrap merchant comparison website, a man called, we agreed a price and he duly came and towed it away to scrap – or so I thought.

The buyer reassured me about not having the transfer of ownership form; explaining that it’s not required when disposing of a vehicle, that his company knew the process well and would complete it.

There was no key to the car, the steering was locked and the windows left open since the police recovered it.

I called DVLA for advice about the transfer of ownership. They told me to write and notify them. They explained that they have a backlog of mail and that it could take 4-6 weeks to receive and process. I wrote this at once and sent it by first class post. I phoned them after four weeks and they hadn’t received it. This was in December, so I sent another letter to the same effect, also by first class post. In the new year, I called them again and they could not acknowledge receipt of either of my letters. In the meantime, I had received fines for driving offences committed in my old car.

In my appeals, I showed documentary evidence of screenshots: of SmS messages between me and the buyer in which we agreed a price, and the bank transaction in which he then paid me that amount. Also, subsequent messages from me to him when I started receiving fines.

While waiting for DVLA to process my letter/s, I reported the deceit of the buyer to the police, with all the personal details for him that I had: his given name, mobile phone number, bank account and sort code numbers. He could have been traced with these, but they only wanted to give me an incident reference and not record a crime.

Given that the fines were for traffic offences, and that I gave evidence of having sold the car, with the reasons for not having completed the transfer of ownership, I think that BCC and TFT have applied the letter of the law and not one whiff of its spirit. Their rejection notices refer only to the fact that I was still the registered keeper: missing the point of my appeal entirely.

I had other fines, too. Leeds city council and a private parking company both exonerated me from paying the ones they’d imposed on me upon reading my appeals against them. I think BCC should have done the same, and that TPT are even worse for upholding BCC’s position ie for not reading my appeal properly.

Any advice or insights would be very welcome. Many thanks.

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I may be wrong but I think it's the vehicle owner who is liable, i.e. the person who bought your car even if you technically were listed as the registered keeper.

Can you provide the TPT decision wording?

Edit - yes according to TPT selling the vehicle before the offence occurred is a statutory appeal ground so we'll need more information about why it didn't accept your appeal on these grounds. There's a time limit for applying for a review so please act quickly.
« Last Edit: Today at 05:30:54 pm by MrChips »

There's an online service for telling DVLA you've scrapped or sold a car including to the trade so I'm surprised they didn't mention this - it results in an instant email confirmation I think.

A review needs to be made within 14 days of the decision but can be longer if the delay has a reasonable cause.

Many thanks for your time and responses. When I phoned dVLA, they didn't mention the online form you mention. The reply I got from TPT was this:

"This is a standard direction issued by the Adjudicators to all Appellants who seek to rely on the ground that they had ceased to be the owner of the vehicle on the date and at the time of the alleged contravention.

A DVLA search has confirmed that you were the registered keeper of the vehicle on the relevant date. The registered keeper [not the owner] of a vehicle is the person liable for a penalty charge. If it is your case that you sold/donated the vehicle before the relevant date and time, you must prove that you did so. The Tribunal will not contact witnesses or collect evidence on your behalf. In addition to the name and address of the purchaser/donee, you should provide the following evidence where possible/applicable:

1.   The invoice/memorandum of sale.
2.    Any messaging/emails/correspondence between you and the purchaser/donee regarding the sale/donation.
3.   A bank statement showing payment of the purchase price and the date of payment
4.    Documentation/an email from your insurance company evidencing the date of cancellation of your policy in respect of the vehicle.

If you sold the vehicle to a vehicle trader, you should confirm this and provide their name and address.

Proof of transfer of ownership before the relevant date and time is NOT sufficient on its own to transfer liability for the penalty charge. The law requires that you MUST also prove you notified DVLA of the change in ownership BEFORE the relevant date and time.

If you notified DVLA by sending the relevant part of the Registration Certificate (V5C) to DVLA by post before the relevant date and time you should say when and where it was posted and by whom. If it was sent by Recorded Delivery or Registered Post, you should provide a copy of the Post Office receipt if available.

If you notified DVLA online you should say when you did so and provide the online notification receipt."