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52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
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Hi,
Received three PCNs for 52m on cornwall Road in haringey all over a period of 10 days.
14 days from the first one arriving is due to end tomorrow (11/03).

Any advice here please?? 

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Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
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PCN is invalid. Back soon.

Case No: 224038612A submissions

The PCN

The PCN wrongly states which action triggers the period in which the council may serve a charge certificate: “If the Penalty Charge is not paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £195.00 maybe payable. We may then send you a Charge Certificate.” The law states at Schedule 1 5:

1)Where a penalty charge notice is served on any person and the penalty charge to which it relates is not paid before the end of the relevant period, the enforcing authority may serve on that person a statement (in this paragraph referred to as a “charge certificate”) to the effect that the penalty charge in question is increased by 50 per cent.

(2)The relevant period, in relation to a penalty charge notice is the period of 28 days beginning—

(a)where no representations are made under paragraph 1 above, with the date on which the penalty charge notice is served;
« Last Edit: March 10, 2025, 09:45:54 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
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For meaningful advice please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here
all sides of the 1st PCN (only redact yr name & address) and the 1st page of the remaining PCNs,
any Council photos/ video,
and
a GSV link to the location.

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EDIT
Crossed with Hippocrates - you will do well to follow his advice when he returns.

Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
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Case here:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/haringey-52(m)-pcn-nor-help-(downhills-park-rd-n17)/msg54651/#msg54651

Please do not refer to it. Just send the submissions and say the other PCNs are disproportionate. You have to send reps. to each one though.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2025, 10:41:07 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
« Reply #4 on: »
Thank you @Hippocrates

I have attached screenshots of my form online.

Is this ready to go as you wrote?

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Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
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Not mitigation: contravention did not occur. (The website has issues too as they list no grounds - for later!)

The silly b*****s even sent a charge certificate after the case was won in the case cited!
« Last Edit: March 10, 2025, 10:41:38 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
« Reply #6 on: »
Got it!

Council incompetence as usual.....

Have done this reply for all 3. Will update when i hear back.

Thank you very much for your help!!!

Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
« Reply #7 on: »
@Hippocrates I got 3 rejection letters for these pcns saying they believe the PCN complies. Any advice? They have given 14 days to pay £65 etc or go to an adjudicator.
 

Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
« Reply #8 on: »
Dates of each NoR?

If identical please post up one of them.

Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
« Reply #9 on: »
All the same date
See attached - removed the personal details

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Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
« Reply #10 on: »
@John U.K. any advice?

Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
« Reply #11 on: »
I see you have @Hippocrates on the case .... wait for his advice, but do not miss deadlines. You have some more time before needing to respond.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2025, 11:43:57 am by John U.K. »
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Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
« Reply #12 on: »
@Hippocrates any advice? It seems they dont agree with your argument of invalid.

Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
« Reply #13 on: »
4 (8) (v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;

This is 28 days from the date of the notice. So they are confused. Also, they have cancelled 2 that I know of (one of my clients) so fairness comes into play. I say contest them both.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13UPjZHWU0c4Dn15LwK1vhcJpCuqkBreb

Also, three is disproportionate of them to pursue.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2025, 12:02:42 am by cp8759 »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: 52m Haringey - 3 PCNs in a week
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Thanx for getting back to me, not really understanding what you are saying though sorry for my ignorance.

I should contest all 3 via adjudicator? And my argument should be based on the adam jones vs Havering ruling?

If you dont mind can you explain more?