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52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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I was using my navigation device maps that took me through the road in concern. New to the area and as following direction. There was other cars in access either parked or driving through. PCN arrived in post can this be challenged.









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Re: 52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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Wow, I'm now on your third PCN thread for a single journey in London ! It seems very clear you are totally unaware of the meaning of the "Flying Motorbike" sign.
Here is what you passed:-
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
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Again, there seem to be no advance warning signs, thus making it dangerous to start the turn, stop, and then somehow back-out. Very poor signing, in my opinion, but they get away with it because 99% of people just cough-up, not wanting to risk the extra £65 at London Tribunals.

I think you need to cease using your satnav !
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Re: 52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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Can't argue with the adequacy of the signage here:



Make a plea for discretion and in the meantime I'll get the traffic order.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: 52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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@Nazma Yaqoob the traffic order is The Newham (Prescribed Routes) (No. 1) Traffic Order 2022, did you make a plea for discretion as I suggested?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: 52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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Hi

I did make the plea as you suggested and now received LA's response with them sympathetic but no cancellation can you please advise on best next step to take.

please see the attached response.







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Re: 52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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1. Advanced warning signage?

2. Quite a lot of signage to take in.

3. We do not cancel for the reasons given! This implies they are not considering on a case by case basis.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: 52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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The funeral directors should set up a toll booth:
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There is an argument to be made about the signage: the traffic order says the restriction is between "a point 8.1 metres west of the western kerb-line of Leytonstone Road and a point 10.2 metres west of that kerb-line", but they're not:





Arguably if the signs were where they're meant to be, the motorist would have more time to take them in, and also more space to turn around. Putting the signs in the wrong place means they're not compliant with the regulations, we've had decisions allowed on this point before, see Michael Dempsey v London Borough of Enfield (2230348292, 26 August 2023).

I would say your chances of success are more than 50%, but not by a million miles, so you need to decide whether you want to carry on.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: 52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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Hi

I decided I would like to go ahead and have this challenge. Pleas kindly assist.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: 52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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Another rabbit pulled out of the hat.  Well done both.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Re: 52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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Its always an absolute pleasure to see the council being handed their backsides by the wizard. I think the op owes cp a large drink at the very least!
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Quote from: Princeperch on April 12, 2024, 07:39:30 pm
Its always an absolute pleasure to see the council being handed their backsides by the wizard. I think the op owes cp a large drink at the very least!
We all do.
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@Incandescent!

I AM ABLE TO TAKE ON MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. I HATE RETIREMENT.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: 52 M Chobham Road E15/Leytonstone Rd E15 (westbound)
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Hi, I received a pentaly notice for entering the LTN at chobham road driving from leytonestone road.  I too was following my sat nav and didnt see the restriction sign. Ive appeealed but this was rejected. Would apprecite it if somebody could kindly advise what grounds I could appeal at tribunal.  Was wondering what grounds nazma yaqoob used and if I could appeal on the same grounds as our reasons for entering the LTN are almost identical. PCN PN7563311A
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Quote from: Almas on September 21, 2024, 11:25:41 am
Hi, I received a pentaly notice for entering the LTN at chobham road driving from leytonestone road.  I too was following my sat nav and didnt see the restriction sign. Ive appeealed but this was rejected. Would apprecite it if somebody could kindly advise what grounds I could appeal at tribunal.  Was wondering what grounds nazma yaqoob used and if I could appeal on the same grounds as our reasons for entering the LTN are almost identical. PCN PN7563311A
Please start your own thread, and also read this when entering the information: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
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