Greenwich council 52m pcn

Alleged offence – 20 August  52m failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle

 

PCN date – 29 August

 

Appeal date -7 September  well within the 14 day period.

 

Ive since checked the website and the fine has doubled, but ive not had the outcome or any further communications or a notice to owner (at least I don’t think the initial PCN counts as one). Any ideas on what I should do next?

Please have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here all sides of the PCN (only redact yr name & address - leave all else in),
any council photos/video
and a GSV link to the location (even if not up to date).

N.B.
As Imgur is no longer available in the UK, you will need to use
ibb.co or

for posting images.

Wherever possible, use the BBCode

Please also post a copy of your reps -how did you submit them?

Ive since checked the website and the fine has doubled, but ive not had the outcome or any further communications or a notice to owner (at least I don’t think the initial PCN counts as one)

With postal PCNs there is no Notice to Owner because the PCN itself is sent to the owner, (keeper name and address on the V5C).  You actually submitted a formal representation which if refused means the next place to go is the adjudicators. Have you looked at the audit trail on their website ?

For more advice please read what John UK has posted and update your thread accordingly.

not sure how to find the audit trail. will have another look. im posting everything 1 post at a time. should all be there tonight. thanks all. still not had response to appeal

my appeal which was sent online on 7 Sept


Reason for appeal: 'Any other reason'

Your answers:

-Question 1 : 'Please explain in as much detail as possible why you think your PCN should be cancelled'
        Answer : 'This PCN came as a surprise as the driver does not recall seeing any prohibition. The driver is not local and therefore not familiar with this complex layout. Ive been back to take a look at the signage and would like to make two points.

1) The sign is right at the junction with no warning further back on the road which means you only have  one chance to see it and would miss unless looking directly at it. Youd also need to execute a 3 point turn at the junction which is not ideal practice.
2) The sign is also high. Unless you were looking for it you may well miss it. The driver is below average height.

There was no particular advantage to the driver taking that route who could easily have taken an alternative if they had been aware of the restriction. This was clearly an error with no intent and could have been prevented with better signage.

I therefore kindly ask you to revoke the PCN and thank you for your consideration.'
-Question 2 : 'Would you like to upload any other documents to support your case?'
        Answer : 'No'

driving from halstow road onto humber rroad

council photo
https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/9EE2WGL_xl.jpg

pcn

think thats about it. i checked on the site. doesnt give any appeal. history etc. thanks in advance for help

wondering if its worth phoning to see if theyve even processed the appeal

all details now posted John.

Please have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and post up here all sides of the PCN (only redact yr name & address - leave all else in),
any council photos/video
and a GSV link to the location (even if not up to date).

N.B.
As Imgur is no longer available in the UK, you will need to use
ibb.co or https://imgpile.com/

for posting images.

Wherever possible, use the BBCode

Please also post a copy of your reps -how did you submit them?

It's now over a month since you submitted your representations, so if there is nothing showing on the website for your PCN, other than PCN served, it might be prudent to call them to find out what is going on.
How did you submit your reps ? If online, did you keep the response (e.g a screen capture)?

online. they sent me full record by email

Let the sleeping dog lie. They clearly have staffing problems as many cases are not contested at the Tribunal the last time I looked.

Let the sleeping dog lie. They clearly have staffing problems as many cases are not contested at the Tribunal the last time I looked.

I have a feeling there's an element of "strategy" behind this rather than RBG just being crap. Not contesting and losing by default means a ruling is never given on the merits of the appeal (road markings/PCN wording etc etc) and they can go on issuing incorrect PCNs (that they know most people will just pay) with plausible deniability.