Ilford lane box junction. 31j

Hi All, hope all is well.
Really gutted as to how I managed to get two pcn in one day on the same stretch of road is beyond me.
Do I have a leg to stand on as I genuinely did not see this.

NB: can any IT wiz please upload the videos for me.

Thanks

It may help if you gave us some more information, where, when, what sort of pcn?

Read this and update your thread accordingly: -

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

Its recommended that you don't cough-up until we've had an opportunity to view the videos for the two PCNs and advise you.

Sorry as I am a numpty with IT can I send the PCN number and reg for mods to help upload video please.
PCN - AF98910562
PCN - AF98910278
VRM - RX64VTG
www.redbridge.gov.uk/parkingPCN

Having viewed both videos, it seems clear to me that you seem to know absolutely nothing at all on what you must do when approaching a yellow box junction. The video for the second PCN shows your car entering the box despite there being a stationary vehicle on the other side of the box thus meaning you have no exit from the box at all, and you had to stop in the box. This is a classic example of a yellow box contravention. It is almost the same with the first video.

So am I right ?

Having viewed both videos, it seems clear to me that you seem to know absolutely nothing at all on what you must do when approaching a yellow box junction. The video for the second PCN shows your car entering the box despite there being a stationary vehicle on the other side of the box thus meaning you have no exit from the box at all, and you had to stop in the box. This is a classic example of a yellow box contravention. It is almost the same with the first video.

So am I right ?

Thanks for your response. Tbh the traffic was mad that day and I was not at all aware of the junction boxes. You are probably right my knowledge on these boxes are very limited.
Thanks

YBJs are not signed at all, one must just look out for the road markings. Probably all YBJs in London are CCTV enforced, because it is such a huge earner for councils.

YBJs are not signed at all, one must just look out for the road markings. Probably all YBJs in London are CCTV enforced, because it is such a huge earner for councils.

100%!
Not only that, that road is narrow and when there is start stop traffic it’s hard to see further up. If that makes sense?

Quote from: Incandescent on August 02, 2024, 09:07:22 am

YBJs are not signed at all, one must just look out for the road markings. Probably all YBJs in London are CCTV enforced, because it is such a huge earner for councils.

100%!
Not only that, that road is narrow and when there is start stop traffic it’s hard to see further up. If that makes sense?

With YBJs, you've got to "look before you leap", and never motor-on gung-ho fashion when you see a YBJ ahead. If you do get caught in the box with no way out of it, then slow right down and tootle across very slowly, hoping the traffic will move on. If it does you're OK.

If you get more PCNs start threads here, rather than just coughing-up.

I've had a look at both videos.  Both show a pretty textbook contravention.

However, I believe we've had some success in the past with Redbridge YBJ PCNs as they always just state the location as a singular street name when in reality it is at the junction of two roads.  Both PCNs are in respect of different box junctions along Ilford Lane, but this road is about 1 mile long and clearly has more than box junction along it (I say clearly as you have been caught in two different ones - they must be newish as they don't feature on Googlemaps yet so I cannot say specifically how many there are).

A PCN is required by law to state the grounds on which the authority believe a penalty charge is payable.  If the location is unclear, there's a reasonable case to be made the PCNs cannot be enforced.

In respect of the first one, the time of contravention is also slightly wrong.  It says 2232 when you entered the box (and stopped) at 2231.

Thanks All.

I am hoping to challenge this with all your support guys.

I'm having trouble getting inline videos to display for all - the one above and this one you need to click on to view.

I've just noticed, looking at the YBJ on the video, is that it is correctly placed at the junction. Note that the corners do not go to the kerb, but are positioned exactly at the extrapolation forward, of the side road kerbs to the main road  kerb. This might be of help to the OP on this current thread on this forum, where the YBJ covers more than the junction.
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-for-being-in-a-box-junction/msg31561/#msg31561

Sorry All, can anyone help with me uploading the PCN. It keeps throwing errors. I can email the pdf to someone. Thanks