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Petition to align the LLAA 2003 to the LLAA 1996 (right to X council witnesses)
« on: December 24, 2024, 12:41:52 pm »
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor nor a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193.

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Re: Petition to align the LLAA 2003 to the LLAA 1996 (right to X council witnesses)
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2024, 11:16:45 am »
Just beat me to it!  This is really important everyone. Please sign and forward to everyone.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: Petition to align the LLAA 2003 to the LLAA 1996 (right to X council witnesses)
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2024, 03:52:00 pm »
You should explain what this is about maybe with an example or two. I can't see anyone will understand what it's about as is.
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Re: Petition to align the LLAA 2003 to the LLAA 1996 (right to X council witnesses)
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2024, 06:02:22 pm »
Will this require a change to primary legislation? If so, I can’t see the government making time for it in the legislative calendar.
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Re: Petition to align the LLAA 2003 to the LLAA 1996 (right to X council witnesses)
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2024, 11:21:55 am »
Quote from: stamfordman on December 26, 2024, 03:52:00 pm
You should explain what this is about maybe with an example or two. I can't see anyone will understand what it's about as is.
Indeed. I will do a video and increase coverage via X. The Petitions Team diluted my original requirements. The essence is to require council witnesses to attend, failing which their evidence is inadmissible as per Schedule I para. 7(6).

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1996/9/schedule/1/enacted

(6)Nothing in sub-paragraph (1) or (4) above makes a document admissible as evidence in proceedings under paragraph 6 above unless a copy of it has not less than 7 days before the hearing, been served on the appellant; and nothing in those paragraphs makes a document admissible as evidence of anything other than the matters shown on a record produced by a prescribed device if that person, not less than three days before the hearing or within such further time as the traffic adjudicator may in special circumstances allow, serves a notice on the council requiring attendance at the hearing or trial of the person who signed the document.

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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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Re: Petition to align the LLAA 2003 to the LLAA 1996 (right to X council witnesses)
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2025, 03:19:02 pm »
Thinking about a venue, the weather and my voice  :(  at present. Probably outside the DfT. If anyone would like to assist, please PM me.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
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ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε

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Re: Petition to align the LLAA 2003 to the LLAA 1996 (right to X council witnesses)
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2025, 11:36:12 pm »
Quote from: Southpaw82 on December 26, 2024, 06:02:22 pm
Will this require a change to primary legislation? If so, I can’t see the government making time for it in the legislative calendar.
It can be done via SI.
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Re: Petition to align the LLAA 2003 to the LLAA 1996 (right to X council witnesses)
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2025, 01:24:34 pm »
If anyone can advise me on how to create a really effective video to reach the remaining 9,940 I would be most grateful.  ;) 5 million tickets are issued in London every year and only 1% fight them. If this bus lane legislation were incorporated into moving traffic legislation, the issue of natural justice would be fairly addressed.
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There are known knowns which, had we known, we would never have wished to know. It is known that this also applies to the known unknowns. However, when one attends a hearing, Mr Rumsfeld's idea that there are also unknown unknowns fails to apply because, anyone who is in the know, knows that unknown unknowns are purely a deception otherwise known as an aleatory experience or also known as a lottery. I know that I know this to be a fact and, in this knowledge, I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply.
"Hippocrates"

ἔοικα γοῦν τούτου γε σμικρῷ τινι αὐτῷ τούτῳ σοφώτερος εἶναι, ὅτι ἃ μὴ οἶδα οὐδὲ οἴομαι ε
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