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Quote from: roythebus on December 05, 2024, 03:50:47 am
Yes, most have had to add that clause to their contracts of employment and have had to assure the tC that it has been done, as well as having a sign in the drivers cab area stating the obvious as well. The CCTV like Lytx and others can immediately pick up when it looks like the driver is holding a phone. It goes to "the cloud" and the employer is informed almost immediately.It also records the last 30 seconds of driving but writes over it unless there is an incident which triggers Lytx, when it then saves the last 3 minutes IIRC.
If there is an incident the driver can press a button in the cab to make sure the last 3 minutes is saved and it will continue recording sound as well as vision. Very helpful if there's an RTC and the errant driver get on the bus and starts having a go at the bus driver! I've found that very useful when it's happened to me a couple of times. I simply sit in the cab, press the red button, and when Mr Angry spouts off I simply inform him that everything he says is on camera and is being recorded. It can also work against the bus driver though as it has in this case.
Tell your mate not to waste money on a solictor.

Yes I believe it was this sort of technology in the coach which caught him, I was considering solicitors because there is a lot at stake here, losing his PCV will mean losing his livelihood  :'(
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Quote from: Clackers on December 05, 2024, 10:05:04 pm
It is a little daft, but to be fair the parent's come for help, rather then to see his lad get bashed for it. Couldn't say I never did anything daft driving a bus. Also Roy was right, you wait for one and three come along at once. Very on point

Either way. TL:DR of the whole post

Be humble to the TC
License suspension is likely
Learn from the experience
Ensure you speak to your current employer to ensure they know what's going on as it may affect current employment
Do NOT skip the meeting

Good luck

Thank you that is most helpful advice
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In light of the information regarding the disqualifications: These should have been reported to the TC by his employer (part of the Operator Licence obligations). Was he employed at these times? Although he has been punished the TC still has the power to revoke his vocational entitlement, his PCV licence. Was the TC ever informed? If not then it is unlikely the TC would know.
I think your son should seek some specialist advice before attending the meeting. I'll message you some details of somebody who might be able to help. 
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Quote from: Foxy01 on December 06, 2024, 07:33:47 am
In light of the information regarding the disqualifications: These should have been reported to the TC by his employer (part of the Operator Licence obligations). Was he employed at these times? Although he has been punished the TC still has the power to revoke his vocational entitlement, his PCV licence. Was the TC ever informed? If not then it is unlikely the TC would know.
I think your son should seek some specialist advice before attending the meeting. I'll message you some details of somebody who might be able to help.

The 6 points and revocation happened since he left his previous employer but somehow the TC is aware as it was  mentioned on the letter.
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In the light of the points for speeding. I suspect the TC Will not offer much sympathy or leeway in this case. Which is unfortunate. I'm not sure exactly how they know, but I suspect they will have access to all the license databases and will know of every endorsement a driver in front of them has.

Also one more piece of advice, Install teams on your device and make sure everything is working BEFORE you try to log onto the meeting. Teams is awful if you don't set it up right and plenty of folks I have worked with have missed important meetings because they did not set up teams before use.
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The TC certainly does have access to the DVLA database as part of his statutory regulatory duty. Failing to report traffic violations not committed in connection with a driving job can attract the TC's attention if one connected with the driving job occurs. It could be that the TC will discover his "previous" and decide he is not a fit and proper person to hold a vocational licence.

Personally I find that even a second's distraction when driving anything is a second too long with eyes off the road. How people can take time to gaze at a mobile phone for whatever reason can cause serious problems.

This maybe useful:https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2022/81/pdfs/uksiem_20220081_en.pdf

There's also this statutory guidance fr TCs on driver conduct. s52-75 seem to deal with our friend's case here.https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65956a19614fa2000df3a865/Stat_Doc_6_Driver_Conduct_-_Version_11.0.pdf
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Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.
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Quote from: Homer on December 06, 2024, 09:55:22 am
Quote from: Foxy01 on December 06, 2024, 07:33:47 am
In light of the information regarding the disqualifications: These should have been reported to the TC by his employer (part of the Operator Licence obligations). Was he employed at these times? Although he has been punished the TC still has the power to revoke his vocational entitlement, his PCV licence. Was the TC ever informed? If not then it is unlikely the TC would know.
I think your son should seek some specialist advice before attending the meeting. I'll message you some details of somebody who might be able to help.

The 6 points and revocation happened since he left his previous employer but somehow the TC is aware as it was  mentioned on the letter.

Revocation applies to new drivers and is usually related to passing a car test.  Did he also obtain a PCV entitlement within those first two years or have I misread something somewhere?
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No I don't think he did. But from what I've just read in the statutory guidance link I just posted above, the previous should have been mentioned. 2 lots of speeding, then a mobile phone offence (although not reported as a crime) could stir up a hornet's nest. It seems the lightest punishment the TC can give if he decides action needs to be taken is a written warning. But they tend to be harsh on mobile phone use.
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Bus driving since 1973. My advice, if you have a PSV licence, destroy it when you get to 65 or you'll be forever in demand.
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Quote from: baroudeur on December 06, 2024, 04:49:06 pm
Quote from: Homer on December 06, 2024, 09:55:22 am
Quote from: Foxy01 on December 06, 2024, 07:33:47 am
In light of the information regarding the disqualifications: These should have been reported to the TC by his employer (part of the Operator Licence obligations). Was he employed at these times? Although he has been punished the TC still has the power to revoke his vocational entitlement, his PCV licence. Was the TC ever informed? If not then it is unlikely the TC would know.
I think your son should seek some specialist advice before attending the meeting. I'll message you some details of somebody who might be able to help.

The 6 points and revocation happened since he left his previous employer but somehow the TC is aware as it was  mentioned on the letter.

Revocation applies to new drivers and is usually related to passing a car test.  Did he also obtain a PCV entitlement within those first two years or have I misread something somewhere?

So he passed his car driving licence and then sat tests for a PCV licence through his previous employer passed and began working for them then after he was dismissed for using a phone whilst driving he attained 6 points and his car licence was revoked which he then sat tests to regain his car licence after which he began working for this current employer
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