Author Topic: PCN appeal accepted - my concerns about potential fraud - infra red V daylight images, cloning  (Read 86 times)

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I received a PCN with online 'evidence' only, showing a Seat entering a restricted Low Traffic Neighbourhood. The Seat was a different model and colour to mine and my appeal was granted.

The video in good daylight shows a car with no apparent number plate turning into a prohibited road. There is a very dark infra-red image which shows a rear plate number matching mine, appearing above where the plate is usually mounted. I've masked much of the plate in the IR image.








IR imaging is valuable at night or where there is glare from headlights or sunlight.
I this instance it was bright but flat daylight - not night-time, no headlights, no glare.
The number plates of vehicles parked further away are visible to some degree.
Is such a discrepency between the daylight and IR image reasonable?

My concern is that this could be open to abuse in terms of a PCN business pixelating out a regular plate of a permit holder and inserting a number from a car captured by ANPR in the neighbourhood.
It also seems odd to me for the following reasons:
It happened on a rare day I was close to the junction. Statistically odd.
The PCN did not include any images - usually they do - was the PCN business aware that this wasn't my car, hoping I would just pay rather than look at the online evidence - many people just pay i beleive.
Why would someone using a cloned plate, aparently not have any plate visible in daylight? This would attract more attention than having a cloned plate.
Why would someone using a cloned plate install one that shows in IR images?
Why would someone clone the number plate of a different model and colour to that of their own car?

This is such a grey area of plausable deniability.

I've asked for the original videos and images.

I would be interested in any comments on the IR/daylight images, cloning & potential fraud by this PCN business.
Many thanks
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What is a “PCN business”?
I am not qualified to give legal advice in the UK. While I will do my best to help you, you should not rely on my advice as if it was given by a lawyer qualified in the UK.

And what is the relevance of the subjective concept of reasonableness?
I am responsible for the accuracy of the information I post, not your ability to comprehend it.

What is a “PCN business”?

Penalty Charge Notices are managed by a business contracted by my local council.
Most businesses maximise profit opportunities - I have appealed several PCNs recently in North London, which were accepted. My experience is that I am being issued more PCNs which are marginal, based on my fact based experience.
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And what is the relevance of the subjective concept of reasonableness?

Reasonableness - if these two images are of the same car and are not manipulated, then reasonableness would suggest many other people have had a similar discrepency between daylight and IR images. Hopefully those people will comment accordingly.
Reasonableness - a measure of whether a matter can be reasoned.


Is it reasonable to accpet that these two images were taken at the same time and location - can a reason be given as to why no normal number plate of any can kind can be discerned in the daylight image, whilst the IR image shows a number plate.
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