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I'm offended by people who start random threads to express their offence at signage stating "Free Parking" and then post an image of the offending sign which does not contain those words.


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There's absolutely no need to be entering reg numbers
The VRM terminal system is presumably an attempt to enforce the 'customer parking only' part of their set up.

I realise this seems to still be a hypothetical set up, but if your dad's penchant for a middle aisle bargain sees him receive a PCN, anecdotally Lidl can be quite good at intervening and cancelling charges for their customers.

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Yes, I missed those words, but the point remains. The sign shown does not "state 'Free Parking'". It states, amongst other things, that customers must enter their reg number to receive free parking.

"Free Parking" with capitalised initial letters would tend to emphasise that parking was offered free of charge or condition. Particularly if it was a stand-alone statement.

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I'm sure some will think there may be an argument around the "customer" aspect, as it doesn't specify of whom. 
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I'm sure a judge would say I've seen you there it's ovious the sign meant at the site it's placed.
if entering vrm at the terminal is a contion of free parking, is it necessary to add receipt required?
you could buy something then return it for a refund and obtain a receipt without paying anything.
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In such situations I tend to use my loaf rather than buying one.
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Yes, I missed those words, but the point remains. The sign shown does not "state 'Free Parking'". It states, amongst other things, that customers must enter their reg number to receive free parking.

"Free Parking" with capitalised initial letters would tend to emphasise that parking was offered free of charge or condition. Particularly if it was a stand-alone statement.

Really?

"Free Parking" means you can park without coughing up any money, whereas "free parking" you might have to pay for it?

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but as Andy correctly says...it doesn't just state "free parking"
it says you must enter your reg at the terminal to receive 90mins of free parking"
you cannot select the words from a sentence that suits your narrative.
the sign also says "£90" are you saying you can get the money?
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Capitalisation, other than at the beginning of sentences, or for proper nouns (or other such exceptions that might exist) generally either denotes a term of art, or illiteracy.

Posting in ALL CAPS, or italics, bold or underlining creates emphasis.

If the sign advertised "FREE PARKING" or even the more legible "Free Parking" as a stand-alone statement in big bold letters at the top of the sign, it would be hard[er] to argue that it only applied to paying customers.

There will almost certainly be case law that clarifies who is and is not a customer, and under consumer law, ignoring (or reflecting) the general rule of contra proferentem, ambiguity is to be determined in favour of the consumer.

As regards the claim that capitalisation does not change the meaning of words in English, as claimed by one of our more prolific sh*t -posters, other than compliance with the rules of grammar, perhaps he could tell us whether it matters whether the word "capitonym" is spelled with a capital "C" or a lower case "c". Not that I was questioning the meaning, but the implied emphasis.
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it says you must enter your reg at the terminal to receive 90mins of free parking"


The point I'm trying to make is that it's not free if you need to purchase something in order to get a receipt so that you can enter your reg.

This is free parking as it doesn't require money to be spent:

At my local Lidl in Ashford (Kent, for the sake of clarity, the other Ashford is in surrey), a customer can either use a scanned receipt and enter the VRM or just enter the VRM[/i].

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Free parking (in that there is no charge for parking) provided certain other conditions are met isn’t necessarily incorrect. The sign has to be read in context.
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it says you must enter your reg at the terminal to receive 90mins of free parking"


The point I'm trying to make is that it's not free if you need to purchase something in order to get a receipt so that you can enter your reg.

This is free parking as it doesn't require money to be spent:

and what did the store manager say when you queried it with them?
you did didn't you?
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and what did the store manager say when you queried it with them?
you did didn't you?

Dunno if it was the store manager but the person I asked said that they had a 10m in grace period before being charged.  I replied that the sign said there was a 90 minute period before being charged.   ;D

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Free parking (in that there is no charge for parking) provided certain other conditions are met isn’t necessarily incorrect. The sign has to be read in context.

And when one of those 'conditions' involves spending money, so that you to be allowed to park without incurring a charge?

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and what did the store manager say when you queried it with them?
you did didn't you?

Dunno if it was the store manager but the person I asked said that they had a 10m in grace period before being charged.  I replied that the sign said there was a 90 minute period before being charged.  ;D
NO. ... about your issue with having to provide a receipt to enter your VRM.
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Free parking (in that there is no charge for parking) provided certain other conditions are met isn’t necessarily incorrect. The sign has to be read in context.

And when one of those 'conditions' involves spending money, so that you to be allowed to park without incurring a charge?

Have you been charged for the parking?
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