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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: tasty_snacks on September 28, 2024, 12:28:15 am

Ultimately, IMO, people just don't have the time to fight. But if provided with a free recourse system that was made abundantly clear from the offset, with the option of triage to weed out the no hopes, and if that was regulated to make sure it was clear on every single PCN, that's the only way more would be encouraged.

Sadly this is true, especially in the case of private invoices.  If I add up the time used to bring a recent DCBL saga to a close it's along the lines of:

- Informal appeal 30m
- POPLA appeal 60m
- Filing and ignoring 8 DCBL threats - 8m
- Initial response to court filing - 30m
- Understanding , drafting and filing full defence - 180m
- Being on hold to CNBC - 45m
- Tidying up (confirmation of discontinuance, removal of data request) - 20m

Total: almost 5 hours

If I consider the original invoice was for £40, I am effectively working for about £8 an hour.  I would do better to pay the invoice and do a half day shift at McDonald's.

There really should be some kind of financial jeopardy for the PPC/agent.

Personally for me the principle is worth more than the time/money, so I will always fight.  But if I was more pragmatic, as most normal people are, I would probably have to conclude that it's not worth fighting the whole way.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Surely we should target the whole of the UK rather than just London specifically?
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: cp8759 on October 23, 2024, 08:37:32 pm
Surely we should target the whole of the UK rather than just London specifically?

It is in the text.  I will do another one tomorrow before I fly back. It has been a hectic break.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: Hippocrates on October 22, 2024, 09:55:29 pm


I love that you are in an actual forum in that video!
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Was the queue at the High Street kebab shop that long that it was quicker to go to Greece to get one??
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I have got a shirt for our administrator too.

« Last Edit: October 26, 2024, 12:17:48 pm by Hippocrates »
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: roythebus on October 25, 2024, 04:19:56 am
Was the queue at the High Street kebab shop that long that it was quicker to go to Greece to get one??
Hey Roy. No pun intended; but, it was a busman's holiday for the most part! Violin + cases + appeals.  :) Some swimming, sunning et al.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: Hippocrates on October 26, 2024, 12:13:43 pm
I have got a shirt for our administrator too.
There's two of us, but I'm not sure how keen @Southpaw82 is on getting one?
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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good job they aren't trousers as they would need 3 legs. (not a reference to Rolf)
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: cp8759 on October 26, 2024, 03:33:10 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on October 26, 2024, 12:13:43 pm
I have got a shirt for our administrator too.
There's two of us, but I'm not sure how keen @Southpaw82 is on getting one?

Be a great one to wear in court 🤣

Quote from: mickR on October 26, 2024, 03:53:12 pm
good job they aren't trousers as they would need 3 legs. (not a reference to Rolf)

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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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@cp8759 I could not get a logo of a wizard for the reverse side so I used a Spartan icon instead. I will do the other video shortly in Surrey. Hopefully at Claremont Gardens as there is a natural amphitheatre there. I assume the figures for outside London are similar?

BTW, I will be wearing mine most of this week at Furnival Street. 8)
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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Quote from: Hippocrates on October 26, 2024, 09:01:14 pm
I assume the figures for outside London are similar?
They're basically the same, 10 million or so PCNs a year and only 50-60k appeals. The only difference is that they're spread across some 300 authorities rather than 34.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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- Your stats like we overturn 90% of PCNs = hope

- Your involvement / leading / expertise / musketeering attitude is obviously a huge factor

I’ve always wanted to fight a rejected appeal but have been too scared / no head space to learn what to do so maybe team the hope with clear step by step guide and offer to sense check a case at first like suggested.

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my interactions with P so far - and enjoying making the council work for their money if the case should go their way.

I hope to find my own vigilantly style purpose in future too 😂
 
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Re: How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?
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All you need to do is read through some of the postings in the council tickets forum; if you want to challenge private tickets, read through the private tickets section. there's a lot to. tak in. Don't be afraid to post on here, there's always someone clueless like me who will give the wrong answer! And a lot more who will put me right..
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