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Re: Have I been caught?
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Hi, got a 'have i been caught' & hoping for a bit of advice as to what I should do. The car that I'm the registered keeper of entered the car park at Manchester Aquatics Centre this afternoon for approx 5 minutes, before leaving without making payment as the driver realised they had navigated to the wrong car park (wanted the ncp car park nearby). This car park is operated by Parkonomy and has anpr. I expect I will soon be the recipient of a parking charge letter from this outfit. Should I just sit tight and wait and see if a letter arrives, or try to preemptively contact them and explain what happened? This is google listing for the location, which also has images of the parking signs: https://maps.app.goo.gl/8iebCEdYzmhLmA617

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Re: Have I been caught?
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Do not do anything tx108. It would achieve nothing. Wait and see if you hear from them. If you do receive something do not respond to it in any way until you have posted here for advice. And never disclose to them the identity of the driver.

If you do receive something please start a new thread about it on the Private Parking Tickets forum.

BTW Parkonomy is a payment platform not a car park manager/operator. The sign on your link suggests it is UK Parking Patrol Office Ltd who manage the Manchester Aquatics Centre car park.
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Re: Have I been caught?
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Thanks, have done a little research today, and think I'll be able to appeal as falling under the grace period, if anything does in fact come of it.
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M25 j7 to m23 turn off
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Realised my turning late and crossed the solid bordered white chevrons without thinking.

Do cameras monitor these sort of things?

No other vehicles around.

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Re: Have I been caught?
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Quote from: txl08 on May 31, 2025, 10:06:57 pm
Thanks, have done a little research today, and think I'll be able to appeal as falling under the grace period, if anything does in fact come of it.

Indeed. You shouldn't hear anything from them going by the published terms.

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Parking Tariff
Monday - Sunday
Up to 15 mins: Free Parking
Up to 2 hours: £3.50
Up to 4 hours: £5.50
Up to 9 hours: £9.00
Up to 24 hours: £13.00
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Re: Have I been caught?
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I am very confident that I've been caught doing +10 the limit from a speed camera. There's a 40 road which for the last few months has implemented a 30 section across the traffic light junction, which is where the camera is. I completely forgot and made no attempt to slow down, camera flashed. I am on 9 points, and have done a speed awareness course in the last 3 years.
                                                       
In regards to signage what size do the signs have to be? Is it possible that I could get a reduced sentence if I used this as a defence?

Would appealing it on the grounds of an honest mistake likely get me a reduced sentence?

When you receive an NIP, apart from the evidence they provide, what evidence should I ask for?
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Changing lane across zig zag
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I just got stuck behind a car that stopped at a red light with a really long yellow box behind them. Since there was no one in the other lane I went into the other lane beside the driver to avoid being stationary in the yellow box. I realised however that there’s a zig zag lane between the lanes by the traffic lights. My understanding is that means you can’t overtake - but since I didn’t go in front of the other car, am I still likely to get a ticket and is there any way out of this please?? This is the location:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zgxUDVn43gVQZ2GY6?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy
Thanks!
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Re: Changing lane across zig zag
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I've asked for a move to the 'have I been caught' section.
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Re: Changing lane across zig zag
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This is not something enforced by local authorities and it's not something enforced by fixed cameras at all. The only way you'll hear anything about this is if a police officer saw you, or someone filmed you on a dashcam and submits the footage to the police. But even then, from what you say you didn't commit an offence anyway, so there's no reason to believe you'll ever hear anything at all.
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Re: Have I been caught?
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Quote from: Volks on June 09, 2025, 01:02:27 am
There's a 40 road which for the last few months has implemented a 30 section across the traffic light junction, which is where the camera is. I completely forgot and made no attempt to slow down, camera flashed. I am on 9 points, and have done a speed awareness course in the last 3 years.
What are the dates of the previous offences?
                                                       
Quote from: Volks on June 09, 2025, 01:02:27 am
In regards to signage what size do the signs have to be? Is it possible that I could get a reduced sentence if I used this as a defence?

600mm. Do you have a google maps location of the junction? If the reduction has only been in place for a 'few months' they may not show so you would have to drive past again and have a proper look. You can also check the local council for the TRO, which would be required for a permanent or temporary introduction of a new limit. There is no reduced sentence available for speeding but as this case will be heard in a court, there are options that range from plead guilty but provide special reasons not to endorse, or an exceptional hardship plea to try and escape a totting up disqualification, or plead NG and present a case on why you could not be prosecuted for speeding based upon whatever that may be.

Quote from: Volks on June 09, 2025, 01:02:27 am
Would appealing it on the grounds of an honest mistake likely get me a reduced sentence?
Only by going down the NG route and putting your 'appeal' to the Mags.     

Quote from: Volks on June 09, 2025, 01:02:27 am
When you receive an NIP, apart from the evidence they provide, what evidence should I ask for?
There is no requirement to provide evidence with the NIP, it is simply a request for drivers details. Some forces will send you a link to view images of the offence. What would you do with any evidence at NIP stage? 
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Re: Have I been caught?
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What are the dates of the previous offences?

All in the last three years, April, May, July 2023.

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You can also check the local council for the TRO, which would be required for a permanent or temporary introduction of a new limit.

What does TRO stand for?

If the sign is smaller then 600mm or there is no TRO, if there's no reduced sentence for speeding could I use this to avoid a ban?

Another thing, if I said I was on my mobile phone at the time, could I request the awareness course, which I believe is different to the one offered for simply speeding, or the one offered for being caught on a reduced speed limit via an over head gantry/driving through a lane with a red ❌.
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Re: Have I been caught?
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Quote from: Volks on June 10, 2025, 11:49:42 am
What does TRO stand for?

Traffic regulation order.

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If the sign is smaller then 600mm

Unlikely, the speed limit just has to be adequately conveyed.

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Another thing, if I said I was on my mobile phone at the time, could I request the awareness course

What? Were you on your phone? I don’t think they do mobile phone courses any more and, in any case, why would they not just prosecute you for both offences?
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Re: Have I been caught?
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Quote from: Volks on June 10, 2025, 11:49:42 am
All in the last three years, April, May, July 2023.

Okay. So it looks likely that should you receive a NIP through then absent a viable defence you will receive a minimum of 3 points at Mags court and tott. Start to think about whether you have an exceptional hardship argument you could use to reduce the length of the disqualification to potentially zero. Impact on others is more effective than impact to yourself. You are expected to feel some hardship from a ban, that is the nature of the punishment. But others not so much.     

Quote from: Volks on June 10, 2025, 11:49:42 am
Another thing, if I said I was on my mobile phone at the time, could I request the awareness course

Is this a wind up? I didn't see the change in limit because I was on my phone? 
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M25 Surrey - Temporary gantry speed limie
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Just some preliminery advice

Late one evening recently, I drove through a temporary 50MPH speed limit on the M25 in surrey.  I was doing 56MPH according to my digital display speedometer.  I had cruise control on for 56MPH as I didn't want to annoy lorries who like to go at this speed or faster.  A camera on the gantry flashed twice as I passed. I know it must have been at my car as my car was the only one going through at that time. Am I likely to hear anything?  I have heard that just because a camera flashes, it doesn't necessarily mean that a photo is taken and also even if a photo is taken, if speed is deemed within a possible grace/tolerance margin, once again it might not follow that the driver will be necessarily pursued?  Just interested to  what others think at this stage.
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Re: M25 Surrey - Temporary gantry speed limie
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Quote from: Firestone on June 18, 2025, 02:41:08 pm
Just some preliminery advice

Late one evening recently, I drove through a temporary 50MPH speed limit on the M25 in surrey.  I was doing 56MPH according to my digital display speedometer.  I had cruise control on for 56MPH as I didn't want to annoy lorries who like to go at this speed or faster.  A camera on the gantry flashed twice as I passed. I know it must have been at my car as my car was the only one going through at that time. Am I likely to hear anything?  I have heard that just because a camera flashes, it doesn't necessarily mean that a photo is taken and also even if a photo is taken, if speed is deemed within a possible grace/tolerance margin, once again it might not follow that the driver will be necessarily pursued?  Just interested to  what others think at this stage.

I'm intrigued that you prefer the risk of a fine to that of annoying a lorry?

Tolerance is usually spoken of in terms of 10% of speed limit or 10% + 2 m.p.h., to allow for inaccurate speedometers. So for 50m.p.h. limit an actual speed max of either 55 m.p.h. or 57 m.p.h.

But surely it works both ways? If your speedo is set/showing 56 m.p.h your actual speed could be up to 10% in excess of this?
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