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Re: How to Prove the Date that a Speeding Notice Arrived?
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2024, 04:09:35 pm »
But are you the Registered Keeper?

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Re: Have I been caught?
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2024, 05:20:01 pm »
Yes, I'm the registered keeper.

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Re: Have I been caught?
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2024, 03:59:30 pm »
Any advice or experiences please as I'm sh*tting myself!

I have done two speed awareness courses in the past. On one of them I was discussing the speeds needed to trigger speed awareness & prosecution with the instructor. He advised me that speed limit + 10% + 2mp over the limit would trigger a fpn and that provided you were between this and speed limit + 10% + 9mph you were eligible for speed awareness.

So I rarely speed at all these days, the exception being on the motorway, where I would ensure my speed did not exceed 75mph.

I have done several motorway journeys recently without any issues at all.

Saturday night driving South on the M1 from Nottingham I was sitting with the cruise control on 75 mph, it's smart motorway with the HADECS cameras at the side of the gantries. Initially, no problems, passed cameras without issue as usual. Somewhere around the Northamptonshire border, I saw a flash as I passed one it didn't really register at the time as I was doing 75 and didn't think I could possibly have triggered it and put it down to cars behind me. I've then gone past another camera and thought again there was a flash but didn't seem very bright and there were other cars around. By now I'm getting wary and on approaching the next camera, I've taken the cruise control off and slowed to 72 maybe 73mph, no other cars around, almighty flash as I pass the camera.

Has anyone had any experience of getting caught and issued tickets at these speeds on the motorway? Have camera tolerances been lowered? I've driven these roads before many times without issue. Is there any other explanation? I am concerned I may have tripped multiple cameras in a row and will receive multiple fixed penalty notices even though it was the same stretch of road I assume they will just treat them as separate offences?

Any advice appreciated. Thanks

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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2024, 01:09:38 am »
HI

If a loading bay is intertwined with a resident permit holder's bay which was free when the driver went there but hurriedly parked in loading bay having no timing for about 12 minutes. It was the day of sunday evening after 6pm so do you guys think that if no warden was perambulating there by that time then no contravention have committed. Or there might be an hidden camera installed somewhere in trees or walls. In above scenario typically how the PCN is issued either by post or by warden on the spot.

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Re: Loading bay with no timing
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2024, 08:26:07 am »
HI

If a loading bay is intertwined with a resident permit holder's bay which was free when the driver went there but hurriedly parked in loading bay having no timing for about 12 minutes. It was the day of sunday evening after 6pm so do you guys think that if no warden was perambulating there by that time then no contravention have committed. Or there might be an hidden camera installed somewhere in trees or walls. In above scenario typically how the PCN is issued either by post or by warden on the spot.
If we're talking about England and Wales or Scotland, a PCN could only be issued by an officer at the roadside. In Wales, it could be a camera but it would be more likely to be a camera car than a hidden camera, parking enforcement cameras cost at least 50k and they're not going to stick one in a bush just to monitor a single bay.
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Re: Have I been caught?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2024, 03:53:24 pm »
Does that mean that if no warden came to detect this then precisely no contravention was committed. Worth adding that the said loading bay had no shops around but only the residential flats, and it was located in an ordinary street in London instead on the main road. Also, the bay wasn't marked with any yellow or red colored lines. It would be egregious waste of money if a camera would be monitoring this bay.

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Re: Have I been caught?
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2024, 04:09:29 pm »
Does that mean that if no warden came to detect this then precisely no contravention was committed.
No, it means no contravention was detected.

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Re: Have I been caught?
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2024, 07:38:10 am »
Any advice or experiences please as I'm sh*tting myself!

I have done two speed awareness courses in the past. On one of them I was discussing the speeds needed to trigger speed awareness & prosecution with the instructor. He advised me that speed limit + 10% + 2mp over the limit would trigger a fpn and that provided you were between this and speed limit + 10% + 9mph you were eligible for speed awareness.

So I rarely speed at all these days, the exception being on the motorway, where I would ensure my speed did not exceed 75mph.

I have done several motorway journeys recently without any issues at all.

Saturday night driving South on the M1 from Nottingham I was sitting with the cruise control on 75 mph, it's smart motorway with the HADECS cameras at the side of the gantries. Initially, no problems, passed cameras without issue as usual. Somewhere around the Northamptonshire border, I saw a flash as I passed one it didn't really register at the time as I was doing 75 and didn't think I could possibly have triggered it and put it down to cars behind me. I've then gone past another camera and thought again there was a flash but didn't seem very bright and there were other cars around. By now I'm getting wary and on approaching the next camera, I've taken the cruise control off and slowed to 72 maybe 73mph, no other cars around, almighty flash as I pass the camera.

Has anyone had any experience of getting caught and issued tickets at these speeds on the motorway? Have camera tolerances been lowered? I've driven these roads before many times without issue. Is there any other explanation? I am concerned I may have tripped multiple cameras in a row and will receive multiple fixed penalty notices even though it was the same stretch of road I assume they will just treat them as separate offences?

Any advice appreciated. Thanks

Oh man! How I laughed when I read this. Not in a nasty way you understand.  It just makes me wonder if there really is a parallel universe...

What was the outcome in the end please?

Almost identical.

My partner's car was travelling south on the M1 in light rain in the early hours somewhere south of Hotel Chocolat Factory Shop (which I believe is Northamptonshire).  I say light rain but there were signs warning about surface water (which just made me think the civil engineers got the design wrong).  Lo and behold there were rivulets of water tracking down the left hand side of the middle lane in places that were further south of where the vehicle was flashed.

There were signs of an obstruction in the road (which never materialised) and at some point a reduction down to 50mph where, what I now know to be HADECS on gantries.

Cruise control was set at either 73 or 75.  The vehicle had overtaken a low loader with a car on the back shortly before.  Light levels were poor.

As soon as the driver noticed the 50 mph limit (which was quite late as visibility was not brilliant, they deactivated the cruise but didn't brake because of perceived proximity of car transporter and weather conditions.

They were flashed.  Car transporter was also flashed.  It was at this point that the driver noted that the transporter wasn't particularly close at this point.

Are these cameras simply revenue generation cameras?

I think I am familiar with the 14 day NIP requirements.  Does that mean that if a letter is received and it is dated within 12 days of the date of alleged offence that it is deemed served on the 14th day even if it arrives on the 15th or 16th day?

It's pointless trying to guess the actual speed but it may likely be greater than 65mph at the time of the flash as the vehicle didn#t have sufficient time to reduce the speed down.

Allegedly, there were no other signs prior to the gantry that flashed advising of the new speed limit. Does that help in any way as I am sure they do not expect drivers to just stamp on the brakes to reduce the speed from 70-50 in a matter of say 50-100 metres?  That would be dangerous in such conditions.

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Re: Have I been caught?
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2024, 01:36:24 pm »
The 14 day rule applies only to this NIP to the registered keeper so check you hold the V5c (if it's leased/financed you usually won't).

Btw 70-50 in 50-100 metres is 0.25-0.125 g deceleration, pretty light braking.

If you actually believe you were driving too fast to slow down in any way safely that raises some pretty obvious questions irrespective of the limit.

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Re: Have I been caught?
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2024, 04:11:43 pm »
I'd add that I'm sure the gantries are clearly visible at a lot more than 50-100 metres. If you can't see them before that sort of distance then you need a trip to Specsavers (other opticians are available). A quick search shows that Highway Construction rules mandate that overhead signs are visible for 295 metres in advance of the gantry.
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Re: Have I been caught?
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2024, 06:16:07 pm »
Hello all.

First of all, I realise that 'wait two weeks' is all I can really do (car is owned outright and correctly registered to current address) but just wanted to ask for a bit of opinion on the likelihood that anything is turning up. I've done a bit of digging online but haven't found anything definitive.

I was driving towards the GSV camera view here, on the right of picture where the three cars are in the distance and pretty sure I was doing a bit over the 34mph threshold for getting away with it (I am accounting for overread). No excuses, just lapse of concentration. I dropped back to 30 by the time I went through the lights, where the car just before the yellow box is.

https://tinyurl.com/59rvdns4

The camera in picture has been replaced since Google last came past and I believe is a Vector type which I understand can enforce speeding in both directions. It still appears to be pointing at the traffic lights (I know it can enforce that too) so my hope is that because the lane where I was is not parallel, it may not actually work in the other direction in this case either due to the angle or field of 'vision'.

Local plod (Devon & Cornwall) has a few of these cameras about now but they are all on roads with two parallel lanes, one in each direction, so I can see how that would definitely work both ways.

It's not the end of the world, I'll be eligible for a course if caught but any help is appreciated.