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Is it true that motorways originally had no speed limit?

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Is it true that motorways originally had no speed limit?
Yes, I'm told that coaches used to travel at 90 mph and it wasn't uncommon for cars to travel at 100 mph, that all came to an end when a temporary speed limit was introduced in winter owing to bad fog causing many crashes (as if anyone would do such speeds in heavy fog anyway). That "temporary" speed limit is still with us today.
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There was no national speed limit when I started driving in the late 1960s. cp8759 isn't quite right about when the limit was introduced. ISTR it was late 1968 as a temporary measure supposedly for a year. It was further lowered in the winter of 1973 to 50mph during the Israeli conflict of that time, when we saw petrol rationing introduced. When that 50 limit was eventually lifted, the government of the day conveniently forgot to lift the temporary 70 limit as well.

Yes, coaches could and did travel at up to 90 mph. the Midland Red C5 motorway coaches were built with speed in mind to compete with the newly-electrified railway from Euston to the north. I started driving coaches in late 1973 and the Bedords I drove for an independent company outside Northampton could do over 70 with a struggle. the brand new Ford R series with turbo and the even newer Volvo coaches were a lot quicker.
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cp8759 isn't quite right about when the limit was introduced.
I didn't say when it was introduced, I know it was winter but I did not specify the year.

It is still a temporary limit on non-motorway roads, it just doesn't have an end date.
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I always thought that motorway speed limits were brought in because AC was road testing the Cobra at 180mph+ on the M1.
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and Jaguar testing the E type

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Is it true that motorways originally had no speed limit?
Yes, I'm told that coaches used to travel at 90 mph and it wasn't uncommon for cars to travel at 100 mph, that all came to an end when a temporary speed limit was introduced in winter owing to bad fog causing many crashes (as if anyone would do such speeds in heavy fog anyway). That "temporary" speed limit is still with us today.

I live one mile from the M1 and when it opened I used it every day for over ten years to commute to work for a major car and truck maker. Later, I commuted into central London on it.

In the early years  Midland Red coaches were often seen travelling at 80+ mph.  I drove company cars, including police demonstrators and executive models at up to 100 mph on many occasions and an occasional truck at 70+.  However, there was much less traffic on the M1 in the 60s and, generally, most vehicles travelled at 55-60 mpg as cars were much less powerful than later models.
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It was further lowered in the winter of 1973 to 50mph during the Israeli conflict of that time, when we saw petrol rationing introduced.
Mway limit was 60, it was DCs that had a limit of 50 imposed.
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It was a long time ago, I know I got speeding ticket for exceeding the limit on the M1 going to work one Sunday. mine was the only car in the middle lane, nothing in the outside lane, all obediently doing whatever the limit was. Caught by an "unmarked" police MGB!!
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As an MGB owner about that time I can assure you that their top speed was only about 108 mph.

Was on a speed reduction course a couple of weeks ago. :-[

Freewheeling down a hill on a country road, said to the missus look I am getting 300mpg. That's not all you're getting says she you've just gone past a speed camera.

Anyhow the instructor noted that the safest place to drive nowadays was a motorway because the investment in infrastructure had reduced fatalities by 60%.

Not convinced that raising the limit to 100mph would be wise.

I dread the thought of being tailgated at that speed.

Besides which, if Liz Truss is in favour of derestriction like German autobahns I'm agin it.

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I always thought that motorway speed limits were brought in because AC was road testing the Cobra at 180mph+ on the M1.

Indeed, the matter was raised in Parliament, and it was felt something had to be done to prevent sportscar testing on the public roads.  It wasn't an ordinary Cobra, but a Le Mans special (the only one made with as a GT car rather than a sports car and a metal roof).

I've seen the car in the flesh, as I used to own an AC and it was at a couple of the club meets.

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 On 11 June 1964 a team from AC Cars met at 4am at the Blue Boar Services (Watford Gap) on the M1. They were there to speed-test a Cobra Coupe GT in preparation for Le Mans.

They didn’t have a long enough stretch of straight test track to check the top speed of the car, so they opted to use a section of the motorway instead. The driver, Jack Sears, registered speeds of 185 mph during the run, which is the highest speed ever recorded on a British motorway. The absence of any speed limit meant their test run was perfectly legal.

Two policemen approached the team at the services afterwards, but only to get a closer look at the car!

A number of car crashes during the foggy autumn of 1965 led the government to hold consultations with the police and the National Road Safety Advisory Council. They concluded that the crashes were caused by vehicles travelling too fast for the conditions.

It was suggested that a speed limit be used during periods when the road was affected by fog, ice or snow, and that an overall maximum speed limit of 70 mph should be tested out. The four-month trial began at midday on 22 December 1965.

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And presumably that's the trial that is still in force today? Beofre the M1 was widened it was 2 lanes from about Hemel Hempstead to it's then junction with the a41 at Mill Hill, the exit slip using the former railway track alignment under the A41. I was taught to drive in a friend's Rover 3600 auto, quit e a quick motor. I remember going down the A41 one night past Aldenham going south and my supervisor saying "better brake now, there's a roundabout ahead and you're doing 120!!"  The things we got away with in those days, no speed cameras around in 1969 or 1970. When I did get nicked (see post above) I was doing 70. That was during the emergency seed restriction due to the Israeli conflict and petrol rationing. Nothing much changed politically since then, they're still at it.
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1965, the minister of Transport, Tom Fraser, announced a 70mph limit on all unrestricted roads for a trial period of four months. The limit was extended by Barbara Castle in 1966, and made permanent in 1967.