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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2024, 05:49:45 pm »
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PS - I've tried attaching the letter (only small file - about 500kb) but its telling me upload folder is full. Happy to still upload it if needed and anyone knows another way. 
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2024, 07:17:47 pm »
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PS - I've tried attaching the letter (only small file - about 500kb) but its telling me upload folder is full. Happy to still upload it if needed and anyone knows another way. 
You'll need to use a third party site like Imgur to upload images.

Thanks, I've just attached the letter to the post now.

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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2024, 07:45:29 pm »
He’ll have to wait for the actual SJPN to see what is charged, or does he have that and you’ve not shared it?
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2024, 07:48:55 pm »
He’ll have to wait for the actual SJPN to see what is charged, or does he have that and you’ve not shared it?

Looks like what he was sent is the the SJPN (didn't realise this is what the letter was called). I've attached to the original post now too. https://imgbox.com/gallery/edit/MD6M2NPRpU/53XgdYWm56hIj0Bs

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EDIT: Just to add, he did reply and give his driver details when i first advised after the post here. This was sent via recorded delivery.
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2024, 08:37:49 pm »
He should respond to the SJPN pleading guilty to speeding and not guilty to he other charge.

He should be sentenced in accordance with the guidelines which suggest a fine of half a week's net income, reduced by a third for his guilty plea, and three points. He will also pay a surcharge of 40% of the fine and costs of around £90.

He should also thank his lucky stars. 

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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2024, 09:06:06 pm »
Don't the pages you've posted just contain generic explanatory information?

What's he been charged with?  Speeding, or failing to identify the driver, or both?

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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2024, 09:10:45 pm »
He’ll have to wait for the actual SJPN to see what is charged, or does he have that and you’ve not shared it?

Looks like what he was sent is the the SJPN
Maybe so, but you’ve not included it, only supporting materials which are of little use at all for giving advice.

For example we don’t know what he’s actually charged with.
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2024, 09:37:57 pm »
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What's he been charged with?  Speeding, or failing to identify the driver, or both?
Sorry, I missed the "and/or". My suggestion only holds good if he has been charged with both offences. "Senior moment"   8)

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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2024, 08:16:09 am »
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What's he been charged with?  Speeding, or failing to identify the driver, or both?
Sorry, I missed the "and/or". My suggestion only holds good if he has been charged with both offences. "Senior moment"  8)
But that is in the generic advice, the text explains this is an IF you are charged then... so we still don't know the charges!
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2024, 10:05:09 am »
Yes, agreed.  ;) 

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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2024, 03:06:33 pm »
We're the (corrected) driver details sent within the 7 days that the case was "suspended"?

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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2024, 12:17:42 am »
What offences are now mentioned, speeding AND failing to nominate the driver, OR one of those on its own?
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2024, 09:06:14 am »
The OP appears to have a history of leaving out significant details and then drip-feeding. And those that ought to know better seem to be creating noise by repeating the same questions regarding the missing crucial details.
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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2024, 09:42:32 pm »
The OP appears to have a history of leaving out significant details and then drip-feeding. And those that ought to know better seem to be creating noise by repeating the same questions regarding the missing crucial details.

Apologies all. I was previously getting an email for every reply, but for some reason this stopped with all the last batch so didn't get all the last replies until i logged in by chance this evening.
Id assumed what i posted previously was the whole of the paperwork from them, and had understood that as the offence (it's all I'd received from him). I've just asked for it all now and have attached everything that appears to mention the offence - the rest looks generic. I understood the previous paperwork as he could choose to plead guilty to the speeding, and not guilty to the other charge. Having just seen the rest of the paperwork, i'm not so sure anymore.

If there's any thing else you need, please ask.

https://imgur.com/a/fwN1dQC

Thanks in advance

Ps - there was no intention to dripfeed info, I'd sent what i had in good faith, not seen all this before.


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Re: Speeding Offence - driver details 'nomination rejected'
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2024, 11:10:49 pm »
When someone "helpfully" seeks advice for a friend, it invariably ends up as some form of Chinese Whispers. Unfortunately, the Admins won't let me string those involved up from the nearest lamp post.

If he's only been charged with the s. 172 offence, there's no option of doing a deal to plead guilty to an offence he hasn't been charged with (although it was apparently common practice for the instant when Harriet Harman was allowed to do it - but never before or since).

I note that a partial statement setting out a version of events has been included in the images of the PR, which will be before the court. The version of events in that statement appears to contradict the OP's statement that the RK was invited to provide "correct" driver details.

However. I would be wary of advising the OP's friend to challenge the statement, or give evidence at all (or attend court), as currently there is merely a very strong suggestion that he was perverting the course of justice, but unless he chooses to give evidence there is no opportunity for the court to put the question to him under oath.
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