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Hello,

I would really appreciate some advice regarding a Single Justice Procedure Notice I have recently received.

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and my V5C address has always been correct and unchanged.

The SJP notice arrived on 24 February 2026 and requires a response by 17 March. This was the first correspondence I have received about any of the alleged offences.

The notice relates to two separate alleged speeding incidents investigated by West Yorkshire Police. For each incident there are two charges:

• Speeding
• Failure to identify the driver (Section 172)

I did not receive any earlier correspondence relating to either incident. I never received the original Notice of Intended Prosecution or the request to identify the driver, so I never had the opportunity to respond.

Incident 1 – September 2025
This relates to an alleged speed of 36mph in a 30mph limit.

This offence could potentially have been me driving, but it also could have been my husband. We have both tried to think back and check our paper diary but we genuinely cannot remember who was driving that day. We both regularly drive that route as it leads to a friend’s house that our children visit frequently, so either of us could realistically have been using the car.

The alleged offence is now nearly six months ago which makes it difficult to recall the specific journey.

I do know that the road in question has yellow box fixed speed cameras. It is a hilly road where vehicles naturally pick up speed on the descent, so it is somewhere I am usually conscious of slowing and braking near the bottom because I know the cameras are there.

Incident 2 – January 2026
This relates to an alleged speed of 35mph in a 30mph limit.

In this case I am confident that I was not the driver. I have text messages from that day showing that I was at home messaging my husband while he was out with our son doing back-to-school / holiday preparation shopping. I was sending instructions from home while he was out with the car, so based on the timing of those messages I am confident he was the one using the vehicle.

Another point which makes this situation more confusing is that something very similar happened to my husband last year. He received a Single Justice Procedure Notice months after an alleged speeding offence without ever receiving the earlier Notice of Intended Prosecution or driver identification request.

In that case he pleaded guilty to the speeding but not guilty to the Section 172 charge by post. A couple of months later we received a short letter saying the case had been dismissed. He never had to attend court, pay anything or receive any points.

Because of that experience, I am sure that the original notices may not have been successfully sent/delivered. Though we get all our normal post and have previously recieved things absolutely fine.

Another important factor is that I currently already have 9 points on my licence, so this situation is a bit more concerning to me. Because of that I have been particularly careful with my driving.

I have never previously failed to respond to official correspondence and have always complied with any requests from authorities. I rely heavily on my driving licence as we live outside practical public transport links and I have four children whose school and childcare arrangements require driving.

For that reason it simply makes no sense that I would deliberately ignore a legal notice requesting driver information.

My current understanding is that I may be able to plead not guilty to the Section 172 charges on the basis that the notices were never received. However I am unsure what the best strategy is regarding the speeding allegations given that:

• the September driver could have been either myself or my husband
• the January driver was definitely not me
• I never received the original notices requesting driver identification
I have therefore also never seen proof or evidence or the offences. Putting my car there or if its more details (my husband got photographed a few years back now by a van and you could clearly see it was him, a man in the car not me, that's how we knew)

If it ultimately came to it and points were imposed taking me over the totting threshold, which I know is a separate thing, and I think I would attend court and present an exceptional hardship argument as losing my licence would have a significant impact on my family. And I know friends who have managed to do this.  However my aim at this stage is simply to understand the best legal approach and whether there is any way this matter could potentially be dismissed given that the first correspondence received was the SJP itself. Especially after similar with my husband last year.

I would be very grateful for any advice on the best way to proceed.

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What is the date after the DocRefNo at the bottom of page 2 of your V5C?

What does the evidence bundle say about sending of notices?
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I'm trying to find my V5 docs now, but I have owned the car since 2021. Here is a image, they are saying in the section that says 'statement of evidence':

A combined Notice of Intended Prosecution/request under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 was served on the defendant within 14 days, requiring them to furnish details of the driver at the time of the alleged offence, the defendant being the registered keeper / insured party of the involved vehicle. This combined notice was sent on 18/09/2025 and by the 20/10/2025 they had not replied as required by the legislation to that request.

(Nothing received)

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A combined Notice of Intended Prosecution/request under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 was served on the defendant within 14 days, requiring them to furnish details of the driver at the time of the alleged offence, the defendant being the registered keeper / insured party of the involved vehicle. This combined notice was sent on 06/01/2026 and by the 05/02/2026 they had not replied as required by the legislation to that request.

(Nothing received)

I'm trying to find my V5 docs now, but I have owned the car since 2021.
You definitely need to find them and ensure the details are 100% correct.

It be unusual for 2 NIP's not to arrive if all is in order.

Are there copies of the original NIPs within the SJPN pack?

I think what people are trying to establish is whether the details on your V5C are correct in order for the NIP to have had a chance of reaching you. You say you have had notices before, were they to your current address?

The problem you have have is knowing probably doesn't help you much. If the address is wrong on your V5, this is your fault and therefore you have contributed to the non-serving of the NIP.

If it is correct then you will have to prove that neither notices and possibly a couple of reminders were received, however the SJPN was.

A sceptical bench may ask if someone on 9 points may have an ulterior motive to claim no receipt. What may help is your claim is that you were not driving the vehicle at the time and therefore it was in your interests to have replied to both. But again without proof it will be decided if your defence was credible, if that was the angle you were going to run with.

Thanks, all is definitely in order here. V5 been in the cupboard, nothing changed, not moved house, owned this same vehicle since Sept 2021 as V5 notes. Its not just 2 NIP's not received we didn't receive one for my husband last year also. I've heard a similar situation from my friend that owns a garage locally after telling him. All other post absolutely fine. I received a different NIP early year before last and another the year before that that which I of course dealt with and responded to promptly. (all within the same ownership of the same vehicle)

Any advice on how to plead and deal with welcomed. Thank you.

Thanks. No copies of the original NIPs or any pictures or evidence included in the SJP Pack.

I am 100% I definitely wasn't driving on one of them. And genuinely unsure of the other as although its registered in my name it is a family used vehicle.

I don't get how/why a bench would think that/be skeptical? Maybe I'm new to this, but why would someone not respond? Surely eventually catches up?

I would have absolutely dealt with, as I always would these things, but especially being on 9 points and reliant on my licence to ensure my husband who has 0 points took them, as I say on offence definitely was and the other also of they were his.

To confirm again, vehicle has been owned for 5 years. We have not moved/changed address etc.

We have in the lasty 1/2 years ago received NIP correspondence and dealt with it absolutely fine.


The only way to avoid any points at all (and so avoid facing a “totting up” ban) is to plead not guilty to the “Fail to Provide (FtP) charges and successfully defend them in court on the basis that it was not reasonably practical for you to respond to the requests as you did not receive them. Unfortunately the police enjoy the “presumption of service” which means they only have to prove that they posted the notice to your last known address (as held by the DVLA) and they are presumed “served” on you two working days later.

The burden of proof to convince they were not is yours and it’s very difficult to prove a negative. In those circumstances the speeding charges have no legs because the police have no proof to show who was driving – that comes from the responses that you did not provide.

The alternative, which is available only for offences where you accept you were the driver, is to plead not guilty to both of the charges arising from each incident but to offer to plead guilty to the speeding charges provided the FtP charges are dropped. This is a tried and tested strategy for drivers in your circumstances. Unfortunately, this will not help you avoid facing a totting up ban as each speeding offence will carry a minimum of three points.

In any case, from what you have said, his second option would not be available to you for the second incident as you were not driving. So you will either have to plead guilty to that charge or try to defend it. A conviction for that offence carries a hefty fine, six points and an endorsement code (MS90) which insurers hate. It will see your premiums increased considerably for up to five years, with a 100% increase in the first year not unusual.

You can avoid a totting up ban if you can convince the court that you or others will face “exceptional hardship” if you are banned. This means hardship over and above which any driver would normally face as a result of being banned.

As an aside, your concerns about the evidence for the speeding offences are irrelevant. They will not be progressed unless you adopt the option I mentioned above for the September offence. This will mean accepting you were the driver and pleading guilty to speeding. Your guilty plea means you accept the allegation as it stands and the evidence will not be tested. For the January offence speeding will not be an issue t all as it will not be continued.

I don't get how/why a bench would think that/be skeptical? Maybe I'm new to this, but why would someone not respond? Surely eventually catches up?

The level of legal advice people get from the man in the pub is not great. The 'claim you never got the forms and they can't do you mate' one is one of them.

While I'm not suggesting that this was your approach, a bench would have seen a variety of defences and therefore cannot act on a claim of didn't receive the paperwork alone without some sort of compelling proof or testimony. And as NJ says, how do you prove a negative?
 

...but especially being on 9 points and reliant on my licence to ensure my husband who has 0 points took them, as I say on offence definitely was and the other also of they were his.

Just to be clear - you are being prosecuted and not your husband.  (There's no formal process now to 'pass' the prosecution/points to him even if you can prove he was driving)

I'm aware you saying that this adds weight to the claim that the NIPs did not arrive.
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So, you know where the V5C is, you know that it hasn't moved in the last 5 years, and 2 1/2 hours after telling us this, you still haven't managed to find it?
I am responsible for the accuracy of the information I post, not your ability to comprehend it.

Thanks, that’s really helpful and I appreciate you taking the time to explain it.

If I was sitting on something like 0–6 points and not already on 9, I’d probably just take the pragmatic route and admit the September speeding (as it genuinely could have been me) and deal with that, while defending the January one as I know that wasn’t me driving.

But because I’m already on 9 points it sounds like it woould onnly end back in court anyway... So from what you’re saying, the only real route to avoiding that is to plead not guilty to the FtP charges and defend them on the basis that the notices were never received.

As I said after years of never having any problems and odd 35 in a 30 offences... at the same address with same vehicles, that the exact same situation happened to my husband last year — he received an SJP out of the blue having never received the original NIP or driver request. He pleaded guilty to the speeding but not guilty to the Section 172, and then a couple of months later we just received a letter saying the case had been dismissed. He never had to attend court or do anything further.

That obviously makes me wonder whether something similar could happen again,if they know there is an issue with West Yorkshire Police producing evidence... although I realise that may just have been luck or administrative issue.

Given my points situation it sounds like the sensible approach is probably to plead not guilty to everything and be prepared to defend the FtP charges in court if necessary.

Out of interest, would you bother mentioning the previous case involving my husband, or is that likely to be irrelevant/irritating/stoking in the eyes of the court?

...but especially being on 9 points and reliant on my licence to ensure my husband who has 0 points took them, as I say on offence definitely was and the other also of they were his.

Just to be clear - you are being prosecuted and not your husband.  (There's no formal process now to 'pass' the prosecution/points to him even if you can prove he was driving)

I'm aware you saying that this adds weight to the claim that the NIPs did not arrive.

Ah yes, ok thanks. I mean I would have done this orginally if I had been afforded the opprunity of them actually sending it to me, so I think it is worth mentioned in the covering letter/my evidence section and in court if it came to it?

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Given my points situation it sounds like the sensible approach is probably to plead not guilty to everything and be prepared to defend the FtP charges in court if necessary.

It will be necessary, without any doubt. Even if you plead guilty you will be asked to attend court as you will be facing a ban.

Of course you cannot absolutely “prove” that the notices were not delivered. You must convince the court that it is more likely than not that they were not. Your case will turn entirely on your credibility. It may help if you mention previous occasions where you did not receive notices but essentially it will be for the court to decide whether or not they believe you received these particular notices.

Have you checked your V5C yet?

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FWIW, this advice was posted on Pistonheads, but motoring lawyer AGTLAW (Andrew Thompson, http://www.shameless.prompotion) replied "Ignore nonsense from the Foolish Legal Advice forum about attending court [pleading not guilty to both charges] and speaking to the usher".

Andrew Thompson seems to treat “Pistonheds” as one of his advertising mediums to attract business. He was equally disparaging of advice given on Pepipoo and on PH he gives the opinion that any advice provided by anyone not legally trained (and he seems to be the only one on that forum who is) is not worth listening to.

Equally FWIW, that strategy has been followed successfully by quite a few people on here and we have heard of no failures lately.
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I wouldn't pop up here flag waving for a self serving **** like AGT. If you said the sky was blue he would insist that you didn't know what you were talking about and only he could properly advise on what colour the sky was.

Edit: Actually, just looking through your post history. Hi Andrew!  :D
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