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Quote from: ManxTom on August 14, 2024, 06:06:28 pm
So you're overtaking (a queue of?) slower moving traffic on the approach to a roundabout, and the approach is single carriageway?

Its quite a wide single carriageway road separated by normal white road markings. When i overtake any traffic at the location i would pull back in well before the roundabout.
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Queue jumping can in and of itself constitute careless driving.
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Quote from: Bucksdriver on August 13, 2024, 11:23:48 pm
I got a lovely section 172 notice (asking for driver details) from thames valley police today. This was bare bones on any info but basically said they were considering prosecution for "careless driving" and the location and date and time of the offence.
What else would be needed for it to be an actual NIP, should have been set out in a particular form?
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Quote from: Bucksdriver on August 14, 2024, 12:30:04 pm

Yes mate its all correct on the v5.
And you've not recently moved or bought the car such that the address may have been incorrect at the time the police obtained it?

If not then on the face of it you have a defence in that the requirement to serve a NIP on the registered Keeper within 14 days wasn't satisfied.  However you really do have to be certain of your position before taking it to court.

As AF has stated, it's not sufficient that there was a collision due to the presence of your car on the road, but also that you were aware of it, if the police can evidence a collision you would have to 'prove' (I believe balance of probabilities is the standard) you were not aware of it. Apart from your own testimony the nature of the collision and your car's involvement would play a key part in whether the court believes you or not.  If the front of your car was stove in and airbags deployed (as an extreme example) they probably wouldn't accept you were unaware!
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Quote from: tonys on August 14, 2024, 09:16:51 pm
Quote from: Bucksdriver on August 13, 2024, 11:23:48 pm
I got a lovely section 172 notice (asking for driver details) from thames valley police today. This was bare bones on any info but basically said they were considering prosecution for "careless driving" and the location and date and time of the offence.
What else would be needed for it to be an actual NIP, should have been set out in a particular form?
It must tell you that the driver may be prosecuted, and specify the alleged offence and the time and place. There's no standard format
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Just an update, i returned the filled in 172 form with a cover page requesting more information if possible about the incident, as it had been so long i had no idea what it was i was supposed to have done. I also questioned why i hadnt had a NIP for the offence. I am yet to hear back from them at this point and wondering whats going on. Im gonna just wait and see and have tried to stop worrying about what happens with this one. If i get any update in terms of a reply from TVP then ill pop a reply on. At this point the offence runs out in november as it will be passed 6 months by then....but realistically i should hear back before then unless something drastic has happened.
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I doubt you'll get a NIP as they don't know who the driver was until you tell them by completing the s172 grassing yourself up.
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Quote from: roythebus on September 30, 2024, 09:30:18 am
I doubt you'll get a NIP as they don't know who the driver was until you tell them by completing the s172 grassing yourself up.

Aye, the time for getting a nip is long past, hence why i asked in my cover letter why i never received one. Im just wondering what's going on as i returned the 172 info weeks ago and had no reply. I guess no news is good news, will just wait and see what comes of it. As i mentioned the stl for the offence runs out in november.
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Ok i had a reply from the tvp traffic office. They shared the footage with me and it wasnt where they said it was, it was further along where theres a long straight. Im shown overtaking the cam car behind another vehicle. We both over take and move into the space. I then pull out and overtake that vehicle  aswell and another infront of him and go out of view. They stated in the email that i made oncoming vehicles have to take evasive action with careless overtaking. My driving didn't effect the cam car or any on my side btw and from the footage i didnt see any issues from other side. The road i was driving down is a very wide single carriageway with a straight for around 300m. Hence why people use it to overtake slow moving traffic.

Anyway i digress. They have stated they have reviewed the case and will just be offering a warning letter and case complete. Im very relieved and even though i think the whole thing was a waste of time, ive decided to calm down my driving anyway. I no longer overtake as much as i used to and have more of a chill approach to commuting and long journeys. As any car i overtake could have a dash cam, so why take the risk footage will be sent in and have this stress.

Thanks for comments and help given, im glad this is all sorted and my license remains clean.
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"...even though i think the whole thing was a waste of time,"

Or perhaps not:

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"...ive decided to calm down my driving anyway. I no longer overtake as much as i used to and have more of a chill approach to commuting and long journeys."
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