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Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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What is the date after the DocRefNo. at the bottom of page 2 of your V5C?
Chronology of the NIPs and actual status:

Identified:
Offence on the 13/08 - NIP 24/09 - paid (at time I thought I had only 2 so I paid one and was going to pay the second)
Offence on the 11/08 - NIP 24/09 - Identified COFP 30/09 (was going to pay this at the end of the month as I dont have money at the moment)

Yet to Identify myself:
Offence on the 05/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 07/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 14/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 19/08 - NIP 02/10
Offence on the 22/08 - NIP 02/10

NIP <date> is meaningless as written. Is that the date the NIP was issued (the date printed on the NIP) or the date it was delivered?

What is the date at the bottom left of page 2 of your V5C (just to the left of the barcode)?

These are the dates on the NIP document, they arrived 2 days after at least the ones from October did.

Day on V5C 26 08 23
« Last Edit: October 05, 2025, 06:12:20 pm by Believe82 »

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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These are the dates on the NIP document, they arrived 2 days after at least the ones from October did.

Day on V5C 26 08 23
2 days would be in the post.

Well, as far as I can tell, you have a defence to the speeding charges as the NIP's were not served in time, i.e. the '14 day rule'.

(But note the part about nominating the driver as this is a separate offence not requiring the 14 days).

Either there is something or the camera unit are 'trying it on'.  (Of course, if you name the driver and just pay and take the points they aren't going to 'complain')

You may wish to call them tomorrow and ask why they are issuing NIP's after the 14 day requirement and see what they say...

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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... You may wish to call them tomorrow and ask why they are issuing NIP's after the 14 day requirement and see what they say...

This ^

If the OP is the RK and has been for over a year, he needs to find out if the NIPs he received more than 14 days after the alleged speeding offences were the first NIPs or were reminders.

What about the first NIP he received and paid the COFP without question?  If that too turns out to have been late can he get the money and points back?

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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Will definitely call them tomorrow

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
« Reply #19 on: »
You say that you have not moved in over a year but the V5C is over two years old?
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Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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3. Since they wont suspend my license until I start identifying myself, would it hurt me asking for extended payment I if identified them at the end of the 20 day notice?

What is this "the 20 day notice" of which you speak?

You have apparently received 7 NIPs, all dated between 40 days and 58 days after the respective dates of offence, issued in 2 batches 8 days apart.

At first blush, if the RK receives a NIP ~6 weeks after the date of offence, the most likely explanation is that an earlier NIP was issued in time to be served within the 14 days, but apparently was never delivered, and the sausage machine generated a "reminder" when no response was received.
Or that the "RK" is not the RK - although apparently in this case, you are.

For 7 NIPs (or more) to be lost in the post, but 7 "reminders" to be delivered promptly is implausible.
For "reminders" to be issued in 2 batches, as opposed to a set period after each individual s. 172 response was due, there was IMHO likely to be a conscious intervention/override.




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Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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What about the first NIP he received and paid the COFP without question?  If that too turns out to have been late can he get the money and points back?

No (as a matter of law).
I am not qualified to give legal advice in the UK. While I will do my best to help you, you should not rely on my advice as if it was given by a lawyer qualified in the UK.

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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You say that you have not moved in over a year but the V5C is over two years old?

Sorry Im lost track of when I moved. Its over 2 years

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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3. Since they wont suspend my license until I start identifying myself, would it hurt me asking for extended payment I if identified them at the end of the 20 day notice?

What is this "the 20 day notice" of which you speak?

You have apparently received 7 NIPs, all dated between 40 days and 58 days after the respective dates of offence, issued in 2 batches 8 days apart.

At first blush, if the RK receives a NIP ~6 weeks after the date of offence, the most likely explanation is that an earlier NIP was issued in time to be served within the 14 days, but apparently was never delivered, and the sausage machine generated a "reminder" when no response was received.
Or that the "RK" is not the RK - although apparently in this case, you are.

For 7 NIPs (or more) to be lost in the post, but 7 "reminders" to be delivered promptly is implausible.
For "reminders" to be issued in 2 batches, as opposed to a set period after each individual s. 172 response was due, there was IMHO likely to be a conscious intervention/override.

On the NIP I receive it says "28 days from this notice" and the date on the top is of 02/10.
Nowhere there is a August or September date.

Should it say reminder anywhere in the notice? Cause it doesn't. If it is what you say a conscious intervention, is there some grounds for a defence?
« Last Edit: October 05, 2025, 06:11:12 pm by Believe82 »

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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Your use of American spelling is really starting to make my teeth itch.
I am not qualified to give legal advice in the UK. While I will do my best to help you, you should not rely on my advice as if it was given by a lawyer qualified in the UK.
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Your use of American spelling is really starting to make my teeth itch.

sorry my phone auto-correct was set to that.

I have just fixed all my posts.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2025, 06:14:34 pm by Believe82 »

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Marvellous.
I am not qualified to give legal advice in the UK. While I will do my best to help you, you should not rely on my advice as if it was given by a lawyer qualified in the UK.

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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Should it say reminder anywhere in the notice? Cause it doesn't. If it is what you say a conscious intervention, is there some grounds for a defence?

No. That is why we are trying to find out whether they are simply late, reminders or "something else".
Not in and of itself. It depends on what has and has not happened - which is something we currently know very little about.
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Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
« Reply #28 on: »
This is generally (at least on here and the previous forum incarnation) unheard of.

As Andy points out, the notices for various different offence dates are batched together into two different dates, with some of those dates in the second batch earlier offences than the first batch of notices. Which just makes it all the more unconventional. Usual reasons for this which you seem to have mostly ruled out are:

Moved address since issue of V5C
Recently bought the vehicle
Vehicle is leased or financed
The registered keeper of the vehicle is someone else at the same address and the OP has been named by them as the rider/driver at the time.

If none of these are a factor then there is scope to look at an out of time defence.

edit: removed unintentional bold
« Last Edit: October 06, 2025, 03:13:24 pm by BertB »

Re: NIP's arrived over a month of offence all offences on the same road
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So I come back to this forum because I am still waiting for the outcome of this.

I identified myself in November for all the charges (still inside limit)

I also received a letter that I would be notified of court hearing.

Since then there has been no contact at all.

How long does it usually take for them to book dates?

What is the time limit on my charges?